An Open letter to those who feel the need to Cheat.

[Thorns]

When lining up a shot on an enemy plane, I notice when I get to about 2.5k away, the enemy plane slides in the direction he's going, about 1/2", which changes the distance.  I have looked at the beacon on panel and it is green.  Seems to be more often when on Roger Wilco and I have announced I'm in on the bandit.  I use a 56k modem and shows no data loss.  Is this warping normal?  Anybody else have this happen to them?

Thorns_Musketeer

[Sorrow[S=A]]

RE: warping

I am acyually pretty astonished that people are so nice about this in AH. I very rarely get warping, usually it is them not me. I do notice when I am doing it though (note: EVERYONE warps.. it's probably you...).
 BUT, in the maybe 5 instances I have noticed a guy with signifigant warp to the point where I would go on open channel and mention it.. every last one has logged off and back on to clear it. Even the ones who were snarky  relogged. I would point to (late) last night where 715A and I were fighting knights. We had one guy who was getting warpier as the night went on. Both of us noticed it and commented on squad channel. When I mentioned it at once his immediate response was "I will reconnect to clear it, thanks"
  It worked well until I logged off myself. I just wish to point out that in my experiences ppl in AH have been exceptionally good about this. I think it counts alot towards the people that fly the unfriendly skies that they DO seem to care and want to eliminate it.

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If your in range, so is the enemy.

[-cman-]

Okay, I am thouroughly confused for no good reason.  Either Firefox and his supporters are completely mistaken identifying circumstantial incidents due to known limitations of the system to deliberate cheating OR there exists a cheat.

Now some/many of us are smart, intellectual types and we should be able to figure this out. Let's do it openly using the scientific method instead of whining about conspiriacies and "secret hacks."

I for one think that if anyone thinks they KNOW what the cheat is they should identify and accurately describe it so that it can be idependently confirmed and eventually squashed.

There are several good reasons for this.

1) If HTC has not completely duplicated/identified the problem they need to be able to.

2) It will make clear to all the players that this is a problem and help all of us identify it when it occurs.  Sure, some idiots will start to or continue to use the cheat.  But, then they will be exposed as the dirty little cheaters they are and can be hounded out of the arena by collective vulching and possibly by HTC.

HT/Pyro, if you do not want to be open regarding, "yes, if you do X and Y then Z happens" then you should at least confirm or deny that there is a "cheat" and that you are working to fix it or that it is systemic, i.e. due to net lag and/or other factors beyond your immediate control.

We need more openness, not less.  I guess this goes for HTC as well as the world in general.

At least that way we will know that Firefox and his supporters are for real, and not raving lunatic whiners.  

This is either a silly, boring, wasteful debate or an issue of genuine concern.  Which is it?

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-cman-
The Dweebs of Death
"Death before dishonor,
often just moments
before."

[Sorrow[S=A]]

That being said, heres another thread that may be of interest for those unintentionally warping:

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/000148.html

[Fariz]

I am sure that with my connect I was warped sometime from someone 12 to someone 6, and this did saved my life and frustrated other guy. Never did it intentially though.

Bad thing is that pilots with bad connect lost much more lifes than winning.
a) when you warp all other planes seems warpy to you too, so same 12/6 problem + hard to aim.
b) you can hang in a mid air for several seconds and you are an easy pray then. 1/5 of my death is when I came into 2 seconds lag in the middle of fight, and when my beacon green again I hear bang, and my damage screen is red all over.

Fariz

[Firefox]

Ok, I loath to do this, But here goes,

CMAN you can try this if you wish, and Others can too, Ive duplicated it several times.  Ive found 3, but there is 1 easy one.

ALT S, While taking a Picture is momentarily freezes the frame and quits sending packets, but the Plane can be manuvered and when the picture is done it will resync itself,

You cannot see what your doing but if you do a Hard BUNT (turn hard right left or Bunt down) it will hang then warp,

Multiple times increases the warp.

Try it out, but if it shows in the arena too many times now, Dont blame me.  Several have asked that I reveal, and I didnt want too, bUt Im being slammed as a Nut in here so I need to defend myself,


Enjoy



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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel

[Minotaur]

FireFox;

When I realized there was a PrintScreen feature in AH, at that time, I wondered how long it would last for on-line play.

Very nice feature, very easy to abuse.  Amounts to just being a "Warp" key in many instances, really too bad.  Saddens me to know we will in all likelyhood, lose PrintScreen.

BTW does PrintScreen work for film playback?  (I am away from home)

Mino

[Lance]

Yes, Minotaur, you can capture screenshots while viewing films.

Gordo

[Duckwing6]

EXTREME: Thanks about thet Find fast thingiee.. i've had this real bad drop in framerate once in a while 8every 2-4 hours LOL) and guess what it as ..

Fishu: well ya know i'm across the pond as well and i've had (in AW3 that is) usually a connect with 800-1200ms delay and 300 variance .. i see A LOT of warp .. well  hope that gets better now that i got ADSL thou ..

[AKDejaVu]

Warping occurs for various reasons.  Some of wich are understood, some are not.  The problem is, if someone knows that taking a screenshot induces a warp, they will always assume that someone warped because they took a screenshot.  This is something that irritates me.

Nobody has been able to adequately explain why someone warps at the exact instant you press the fire button.  I've seen this in WB many times and have heard people complain about it here.  Most simply attribute it to the one thing they know causes a warp without really thinking it through.  Lag makes it nearly impossible to predict exactly when someone is going to fire their cannons, yet people assume that magically everyone knows when this instant will occur.

It could be that some things are happening that are so intermittant that HC will always have a hard time finding it.  Wether it is related to Soundcard Hardware or Video Cards interacting with packet delivery, or simply shakey connections... nobody really knows.

That said, when you see a warp, I have no problem with "Hey bud, you were warping back there".  It is polite and non-accusatory.  What I have a serious problem with is "You did that on purpose you cheating SOB".  The two are very different aproaches.  One acknowledges that you don't really know what happened, the other arrogantly assumes that you did (90% of the time you are wrong on this one too).  Some people feel it is ok to insult nine out of 10 people that they see warp... others would rather be polite.

I prefer to see more people being polite.

AKDejaVu

BTW.. DW6, I miss removing your wings in FC too  

[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 12-27-1999).]

[Minotaur]

AKDejaVu;

cc and well said. <Salute>

Your comments do indeed apply for the majority of players.  Politeness is my chosen route, it is just a game after all.

However; I believe this is more in-line with what FireFox is trying to get across.

 

"Warping Under the Gun" is a very good way to escape the "Shame" of being beaten. Don't kid yourself people, if it can be done it will be done.  (Image removed from quote.)

Mino

[-cman-]

Firefox, thanks for having the nuts to put your money where your mouth is. Seriously.

 

CMAN you can try this if you wish, and Others can too, Ive duplicated it several times. Ive found 3, but there is 1 easy one.

ALT S, While taking a Picture is momentarily freezes the frame and quits sending packets, but the Plane can be manuvered and when the picture is done it will resync itself,

You cannot see what your doing but if you do a Hard BUNT (turn hard right left or Bunt down) it will hang then warp,

Multiple times increases the warp.

Okay those make sense.  They also seem reasonably easy to fix.  Why haven't Pyro and HT done something about it?  Dunno.  Ask em.

But you have to keep telling yourself one thing, "it's just a beta... it's just a beta."




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-cman-
The Dweebs of Death
"Death before dishonor,
often just moments
before."

[Pyro]

>Okay those make sense. They also seem reasonably easy to fix. Why haven't Pyro and HT done something about it? Dunno. Ask em.

We have.  But we can only fix those bugs that we know about.  If you know about bugs like these, you should report them to us.  That's how they get fixed.  It doesn't do any good to get mad at other people and exacerbate the problem when it hasn't even been reported to us.

 



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

"The side with the fanciest uniforms loses."

[AKDejaVu]

This bug has been a bug for years.  Remember when WB put the 10 second between screenshots delay in?

[Hristo]

Please, disable screenshots while flying online. With gunfilm who needs it at all, except to cheat ?

With a stick as TM f22, you can program a serie of screenshots in a row, and when someone gets on your six, you can just warp away.

And if one really wants to take a screenshot, he can still take it from the film offline, while watching it in slow motion. Much better timing then