Author Topic: Napalm (Read 1140 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2004, 08:13:55 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
the open topped ground vehicles are invulnerable to bullets so why wouldn't they be invulnerable to napalm?

lazs

Unless Im the one in the open top GV.
But then again, hell I've had tigers shot out from under me from nothing more then the machine gun fire of an M3:mad:

Muddie · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2004, 10:06:39 AM »

I want the heavily gunned attack versions.

75mm, hmmmmm???????

Mud

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Originally posted by VWE
Fly your B-26 at 75% throttle and IMAGINE your in a B-25!

Heater · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2004, 05:25:10 AM »

Nope.....
What we need is this!

Impact

Shockwave

Aftermath

Ghosth · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2004, 08:16:36 AM »

I think if you really get into the nitty gritty of Napalm use In WWII you'll find the majority was used in the Pacific.

There is a reason for that.
The Japanese tended to tunnel, burrow, & build defenses into the hills were they could NOT be blasted out.

The only way to remove them was flamethrowers & napalm. Not pretty but a neccesary evil.

Do you really want to bring that to AH?
I can see the value in reenacting the good parts of WWII. The strength, courage, sacrifise shown every day.

But do we REALLY want to go down into those tunnels and have napalm dropped from overhead?

Think about what your asking for.
Is this really where you want AH to go????

lazs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2004, 08:54:58 AM »

frying gv would be a very good reason for it.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2004, 10:07:50 AM »

In a word,, yea. I like the pretty colors and screams of agony turn me on. but then again Im a sadist

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Originally posted by Ghosth
I think if you really get into the nitty gritty of Napalm use In WWII you'll find the majority was used in the Pacific.

There is a reason for that.
The Japanese tended to tunnel, burrow, & build defenses into the hills were they could NOT be blasted out.

The only way to remove them was flamethrowers & napalm. Not pretty but a neccesary evil.

Do you really want to bring that to AH?
I can see the value in reenacting the good parts of WWII. The strength, courage, sacrifise shown every day.

But do we REALLY want to go down into those tunnels and have napalm dropped from overhead?

Think about what your asking for.
Is this really where you want AH to go????

Delirium · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2004, 05:00:57 PM »

I'd like to see napalm too, but we won't.

A single canister or converted drop tank could cook everyone in a Tiger and would destroy much of its invincibility. Not that I care about it, but many do in the MA.

BenDover · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2004, 05:36:49 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
In a word,, yea. I like the pretty colors and screams of agony turn me on. but then again Im a sadist

I bet your one of those people that would create a family in The Sims, build a house consisting of a small room with a fireplace and lots of wicka furniture.

Then again, so was I

Never would delete a family, would just move them into the premature cremation lot:D

Furball · « **Reply #23 on:** March 24, 2004, 06:10:57 PM »

what we really need are these,

Big bomb on the left is a 12,000lb bomb with 75% charge to weight ratio. (same as lanc 4k bomb but 3 times the size).

Next to it on the right is a 2k bomb. behind that is a 4k bomb that we already have in AH.

The big white thing is a 1615 (uk gallon) gallon fuel tankfrom a Valiant bomber. And the behemoth behind that is a 22,000lb grand slam earthquake bomb.

We need the 12k and 22k bombs please

Hyrax81st · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2004, 12:15:58 AM »

Info on Tallboy (12K bomb) and Grand Slam (22K bomb) from http://home.aol.com/nukeinfo2/

The first use of the 12,000 lb bomb was on the night of June 8-9, 1944...

"The first live test of a Grand Slam occurred on March 13, 1945. ... In all, 41 Grand Slams were dropped during the war."

Should the 12k Be able to level a town ? the 22K an entire field ? Given that these beasts are fairly late war (and only 41 Grand Slams were dropped before cessation of hostilities) what would you suggest their bomber perk value should be ?

Since I have a lot of those (and hardly ever fly an Arado) I think 500 for the 12K and 1000 for the 22K would be good (grin). Of course, they would REQUIRE a Lancaster bomber to carry (or maybe... yes, maybe.... a B-29 !)

From the same website:

A B-29 with ONE Grand Slam bomb loaded

http://home.aol.com/nukeinfo2/wb29GrandSlam.jpg

A B-29 with TWO Tall Boys suspended near the wing roots

http://home.aol.com/nukeinfo2/B29withdualTallboyinstallationdetail2.jpg

BenDover · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2004, 07:50:49 AM »

Was that b29 with the grandslam ever used in active service in ww2?

68DevilM · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2004, 08:34:00 AM »

incinery? bombs were used alot, i like it:aok

Hyrax81st · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2004, 11:34:49 AM »

Bendover,

from the following link....

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWgrandslam.htm

"In 1945 Barnes Wallis developed the 22,000lb Grand Slam. This bomb was so heavy it could only be carried by a specially adapted Avro Lancaster. The first one was dropped on Germany on 14th March, 1945."

I think B-29 adaptation was post-war. Here are a couple of other interesting notes on Tall Boy and Grand Slams from

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/miscellaneous/tallboy/tallboy.html

Tall Boy...

"These massive bombs designed by Dr. Barnes Wallis reached the speed of sound during descent being streamlined and equipped with angled fins that produced a rapid spin. Penetrating the ground before exploding they worked by setting off shock waves that would bring down nearby structures. The 5,443 kg (12,000 lb) "Tall Boy" dropped from 6,096m (20,000 feet) made a 24 meter (80 feet) deep crater 30 meter (100 feet) across and could go through 4.88 meter 16 feet of concrete. On 8-9 June, 1944 eight Lancaster bombers of No. 617 Squadron used the deep penetration "Tall Boy" bomb in an attack against the Saumur Rail Tunnel. The new weapon proved its worth but at the cost of losing 5 of the 8 bombers on this mission. Eventually 854 Tallboy bombs were used, the most note-worthy mission resulting in the destruction of the battleship Tirpitz (77 were dropped in three attacks)."

Grand Slam...

"The "Grand Slam" (Earthquake) bomb was of the same design as the Tallboy but larger and heavier weighing 9,979 kg (22,000 lb). The Grand Slam was first used on 14 March, 1945 when a force of Lancaster bombers led by Royal Air Force Squadron Leader C.C. Calder attacked the Bielefeld railway viaduct destroying two spans. In another attack against submarine pens (Bunker Valentin) near Bremen two Grand Slams pentrated 4,5 meters of reinforced concrete. 41 Grand Slam Bombs were dropped by the end of the war mainly against bridges and viaducts. The "Grand Slam" bomb was the biggest bomb used in WWII at all."

A bomb that reached the speed of sound....heh heh... There was a great documentary that showed fairly modern testing of fuel-air bombs to cause a miniature shock wave that rippled the surrounding landscape for hundreds of feet. It was like watching a small wave about 1-2ft high of earth running out from the blast center in a concentric ring. The shock wave exploded anti-tank mines in a test field as a proof of concept for the fuel-air bomb.

Murdr · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2004, 11:53:28 PM »

dunno about all that but, it would be nice if tracers could ignite a dropped tank. A pair of 38s got a confirmed kill on a japanese ship with that tactic.