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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2004, 12:30:50 AM »
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The beautiful part is that they have every right to say this insane crap.

God Bless America.



This is so squealing true.   Can't top that one MT.

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PS - I personally dont agree with what the pictures say, but, they DO have Freedom of Assembly......so far
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2004, 10:41:46 AM »
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If your god existed, would he really be that petty?


I dunno, how do feel when you give generously to someone and they don't appreciate it? Guess it's a very good thing he's more tolerant and caring than me.
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2004, 12:30:44 PM »
Let's see... What have we learned from Ripsnort's photoshopped pic?

1) Anyone who opposes our invasion of Iraq is a communist/terrorist sympithizer who hates America.

2) Knowingly posting photoshopped pics, like the Kerry/Fonda pic, is justifiable if it presents those of an opposing viewpoint in an unflattering light.

3) Those chickenhawks who managed to avoid military service themselves continue to be the staunchest supporters of our Iraqi invasion.

Ya know Ripsnort, it's not too late for you to join the Army and get involved in Iraq. Heck, with the way Boeing is outsourcing a career change might be a good idea. Of course our community will be diminished without your tremendous cut-n-paste abilities, but I think you should spend some time with your OWN bellybutton on the line- it might make you rethink your position. (Did I mention "think" and "Ripsnport" in the same sentance? My bad.)

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2004, 12:32:28 PM »
yes why would your all powerfull god be so petty akiron? My God is cooler. He blesses hot wings and good beer. And smites drinkers of bad beer.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2004, 12:32:35 PM »
There are many that wish it was photoshopped,both dem and republican alike, airtroll.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2004, 12:34:18 PM »
There are plenty of crazy idiots on both the right and left.

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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2004, 12:40:50 PM »
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OMG my favorite pic of the bunch
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Yeah, that one struck me, too.  However, I find myself attracted to the skinny one on the right with the warpaint on her face.

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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2004, 01:00:02 PM »
Rip, you constantly attack the messenger instead of even listening to the message. An awful lot of us who thought Iraq was a bad idea happen to be mainstream Americans who actually do love our country, yet you focus on the one percent of those on the lunatic fringe and you imply they are "typical" of those you disagree with.

You have children- would you be willing, say fifteen years from now, to send them halfway around the world to fight a war like the one we're waging in Iraq?

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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2004, 01:02:58 PM »
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yes why would your all powerfull god be so petty akiron? My God is cooler. He blesses hot wings and good beer. And smites drinkers of bad beer.


Be glad he ain't like me Froggie, if I were God I would have aborted the lot of us long ago.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2004, 01:14:59 PM »
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There are many that wish it was photoshopped,both dem and republican alike, airtroll.


You should familiarize yourself with Adobe Photoshop and its capabilities before you reach conclusions.
Some of the images are real, but most are clear photoshops. When you work with the program, you can easily see the subtle chages in coloration, alignment, blurring, and depth. The person who photoshopped them is not even that talented, yet good enough to fool anyone close minded enough not to pay attention to detail. He must be either a prankster, or an extremist.

There is a lot of evidence that the image you posted is a photoshop, since I am working with Photoshop right now I'll just point out a few clear ones



1.) Out of depth ® symbol. it is misaligned relative to the diagonal tilt of the NY letters.

2.) Digitally extended carboard. A poor job, since on the right the cardboard suddenly loses its color integrity and you can see a lot of noise (not attributed to JPEG compression, since the original part of the cardboard has different compression noise, because of different compression algorythms. One from a camera/scanner, the other from an editing program). Also the bottom corners dont look naturally right over the hands holding the sign.
If you look close enough the letters and white around them actually drift away from the cardboard itself, and are floating slightly transparent outside the cardboard. That must be some magical ink, or its vaporizing away.



Also, you can see liberal use of the clone tool as the color patters in the letters, mixed with other colors from around the NY which it was cloned from repeat each other over and over again.

3.) The "W" dirtied to make it look authentic actually shows one of the biggest flaws of the photoshop job, because you can see the sloppy use of the clone tool when you zoom. You can see the clone was pasted over the W as there is a depth difference, and you can see color anomalies in the ink blotch that are typical of cloning two color palettes instead of just black.


Ok, now with that out of the way, lets keep bashing those who dont agree with us :)
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2004, 01:16:55 PM »
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Be glad he ain't like me Froggie, if I were God I would have aborted the lot of us long ago.


Thats because he is just as real as santa claus.

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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2004, 01:18:22 PM »
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Thats because he is just as real as santa claus.


Believe what you like, I ain't twistin' yer arm.
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2004, 02:04:34 PM »
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You should familiarize yourself with Adobe Photoshop and its capabilities before you reach conclusions.
Some of the images are real, but most are clear photoshops. When you work with the program, you can easily see the subtle chages in coloration, alignment, blurring, and depth. The person who photoshopped them is not even that talented, yet good enough to fool anyone close minded enough not to pay attention to detail. He must be either a prankster, or an extremist.

There is a lot of evidence that the image you posted is a photoshop, since I am working with Photoshop right now I'll just point out a few clear ones



1.) Out of depth ® symbol. it is misaligned relative to the diagonal tilt of the NY letters.

2.) Digitally extended carboard. A poor job, since on the right the cardboard suddenly loses its color integrity and you can see a lot of noise (not attributed to JPEG compression, since the original part of the cardboard has different compression noise, because of different compression algorythms. One from a camera/scanner, the other from an editing program). Also the bottom corners dont look naturally right over the hands holding the sign.
If you look close enough the letters and white around them actually drift away from the cardboard itself, and are floating slightly transparent outside the cardboard. That must be some magical ink, or its vaporizing away.



Also, you can see liberal use of the clone tool as the color patters in the letters, mixed with other colors from around the NY which it was cloned from repeat each other over and over again.

3.) The "W" dirtied to make it look authentic actually shows one of the biggest flaws of the photoshop job, because you can see the sloppy use of the clone tool when you zoom. You can see the clone was pasted over the W as there is a depth difference, and you can see color anomalies in the ink blotch that are typical of cloning two color palettes instead of just black.


Ok, now with that out of the way, lets keep bashing those who dont agree with us :)

1) The top and baseline of the 'N' are misaligned relative to each other (they aren't parallel). The 'N' and the 'Y' also have misaligned diagonal tilts relative to each other. Therefore the ® mark being out of line seems fairly consistent. All in all it suggest either
a) - the sign is bowing (which it seems to be) or
b) the Top part is hand painted too - maybe badly stenciled from a photocopy? Or Printed from a photo of a T shirt? or
c) both of the above.
The depth issue looks to me like JPEG artifacts which are consistent with those on all the other letters.

2)"Digitally extended cardboard" weird colour patches = initial pic taken with cheapo digital camera then JPEGed to hell and back. Basically that's a  express route to artifact city. See weird colours also round the heart, on the building wall, on the guy with the sign's fingers and other unrelated areas. The extra noise is from the extra amount of text in the lower part. There's the same amount of noise around the top part's text, but there's only 2 characters - so more white space. JPEG basically makes stuff into big blocks when it thinks it can get away with it, and small ones when it can't; so noise levels may vary in different areas of one shot depending on clutter and contrast. Try it yourself and see, or look at a few really JPEGed photos in single channels to heighten the blocky patterns - red and blue are usually best.

The colour weirdness seeps in from both JPEG and digital camera algorithims - JPEG is trying to loose as much data as possible by replacing similar colours in as big an area as it can with a single average colour of that area, and the digital camera is guessing 66% of the data for any picture based on nearby pixels - because the CCD can only capture 33% of what's there (unless the camera's using the lovely but hugely expensive foveon x3 Direct Image Sensor). This often gives white areas near colours a red or greenish tinge - same happens in video - but you can adjust the white balance. For a better look at both JPEG & digital cameras doing their bad things to images, have a look at the pic in single channels - Red or Blue seems best - green is picked up more by the eye, so JPEG seems to go a bit easier on the green channel. You can see this on a lot of the other photos in the rally, especially on the white bits of signs and flags. Try this guy's Palestinian flag: http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-israel_pro-palestine/117-1730_IMG.JPG

3)The one thing about the W that is interesting is that it looks like a bit of the asterix-like splodge extends onto the guy behind's shirt. Then again it could be a shadow on the shirt or a something on the lens of the camera. However at 72dpi & this sort of lossy JPEG level it's hard to say. The splodge itself may have been pasted over in photoshop hence the colour anomalies - but it may also be smudged poster paint, which also produces colour anomalies. Again at this resolution & JPEG level - Hard to say.

The only good bit you showed is the last bit - but then one could equally assume that a guy who didn't get the top & bottom of N parallel, and splodged paint on his sign, and didn't plan ahea
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enough to fit all of his slogan on is not the most likely candidate to produce a perfectly straight sign, with no bits missing.

All in all, maybe it's photoshopped, maybe it isn't. I lean towards not, on the available evidence, but it's impossible to say with any real accuracy based solely on the pic - the detail just isn't there.

And I'm one of those dreadful pinko communist atheist anti-american peace protesting types. ;)
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