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France bowing to terrorist demands?
« on: March 24, 2004, 11:13:04 AM »
I read an article in TIME magazine recently, and it corresponds to this situation:

Explosive Found in French Railway Bed    
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PARIS - A French railroad worker found an explosive device buried in the bed of a railway line heading from France to Switzerland on Wednesday, the Interior Ministry said.

   

Bomb disposal experts neutralized the device, which was half-buried under a track in the village of Montieramey, on a train line heading from Paris to Basel, Switzerland, the ministry said in a statement. It was discovered shortly after noon.


There was no immediate claim of responsibility.


The Interior Ministry said the device did not resemble bombs described in threats by a mysterious and previously unknown group calling itself AZF.


The group claimed to have planted nine bombs along the country's rail network and has threatened to explode them unless it is paid millions of dollars.


The group's threats, first disclosed in early March, appeared in at least three letters sent to the offices of President Jacques Chirac and Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy on Dec. 10, Feb. 13 and 17.


The letters, demanding $5.2 million threatened railway targets.


Information from the group led to the recovery Feb. 21 of a sophisticated explosive device buried in tracks near Limoges in central France.




According to the time piece, France tried to pay a group calling itself AZF $5.2 million on 3/7/04. This was the amount AZF demanded to give the location of a bomb it supposedly planted.

Now, it's easy for me to say, the US would NEVER pay a ransom to a terrorist group, but then I stopped and thought about it. Imagine if we could go back in time. How much would the US have paid, if anything, if it could have prevented 9/11?

Personally, I think paying terrorist demands only encourages more terrorism, but it's a tough decision to make.

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Re: France bowing to terrorist demands?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2004, 11:20:48 AM »
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Now, it's easy for me to say, the US would NEVER pay a ransom to a terrorist group, but then I stopped and thought about it.


I thought Regan sold Iranian terrorists weapons in exchange for hostages. :confused:

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2004, 11:29:04 AM »
I thought he sold weapons to the Contra's and then took the money to buy the hostages' freedom.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2004, 11:59:56 AM »
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I thought he sold weapons to the Contra's and then took the money to buy the hostages' freedom.


Agreed to sell the weapons to the Iranians to have the hostages released.  Took the money earned from the sale and gave that to the Contras.

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2004, 12:11:35 PM »
I'm surprised North Korea has not taken hostages yet.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2004, 12:15:09 PM »
If you think terrorist want money you're IMO confused they generaly don't have money in their objectives.
But criminal have.

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2004, 12:17:35 PM »
So the difference in your opinion between in criminal and a terrorist is their motive?

Does it really matter?

Both hold a people hostage under threat of violence for their own gains.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2004, 12:24:28 PM »
Criminal are in general more dumb than terrorists and so easier to catch plus they don't have any sort of "esprit de corps" like the terrorists.

For this example (AZF) they are so dumb they were unable to give a proper rendez-vous place for the ransom.

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2004, 12:26:45 PM »
Soon, everyone "dissagreeing" with Sarcosi will be a terrorist Muck, why wait... lets be visionaries. France is in the middle of an election too, no decision will be made before that is done.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2004, 12:27:27 PM »
Straffo-

I'm not trying to insult your govenment, but if the AZF is so dumb, why is the French Government so willing to fork over $5 million dollars to them?

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2004, 12:40:52 PM »
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Straffo-

I'm not trying to insult your govenment, but if the AZF is so dumb, why is the French Government so willing to fork over $5 million dollars to them?


good bait !!

no one showed up to pick up the ransom: it was a perfect ambush, snipers, helicopters and special forces !

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2004, 12:48:25 PM »
sorry muckmaw, frog is right only criminals demanding money.
Talking about suicide terrorists, there is no demanding or
warning here, its a complete different story.
Sometimes paying millions of dollars is one way to get the criminals at the end, the daily police work/investigation you know.
Calling this "bowing to terrorist" is, with all respect BS.

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2004, 01:02:07 PM »
I disagree, Ghost.

A terrorist is merely a criminal with a political demand. Would there have been a 9/11 if the US paid the reparations Al Quaeda said we owed for all the oil we stole? I remember that being part of what they wanted. Does this mean Al Qaida is not a terrorist organization?

You guys are simply mincing words here.

This time they demand money. Will France invade Costa Rica if I threaten them with violence?

Giving in to the threat of violence is the heart of the matter. That's whats happening here.

You can call it whatever you want. Your just playing with semantics.

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2004, 01:12:33 PM »
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I'm surprised North Korea has not taken hostages yet.


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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2004, 01:15:04 PM »
jehh muckmaw read your stuff:

terrorist is a guy that in 99% of the cases have a political motive.

criminal is a guy that in 99% of the cases have a economic motive.

oboy, I promised myselve never posting here again but doh :)

edit: and terroists dont need money they are pretty well founded anyway.
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