Could you imagine if HTC put OZ in Test arena while PIZZA Crap was up

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Citabria
i made ozkansas design with the intention that it should be resetable and wanted to keep the front moving so that players can fight on all parts of the map because every part of the map is completely detailed and very interesting in its own way. very little is the same, even the terrain changes from tropical island looking to aird and dry.

lots to see lots to fight over.

Yes but from looking at it you didnt make it so it can be easily steamrolled.
And THAT is a good thing:)

[DREDIOCK]

When Fester annouced he was making this map I specifically remember him mentioning that  he was going to attempt to do this with some of the feilds/runways And that he was going to ask  and see if HTC would allow this.
Obviously they have. While I do not remember the exact thread or post and do not feel like looking for it now I definately remember him mentioning that he was going to attempt to do this at LEAST a month ago.
So folks had knowledge of this well in advance.
Its not Festers fault if anyone missed that post. There are plenty of us that did know. Not just a select few.
If anything the feilds are TOO standardised. One of the reason I am so Successful at baseporking  and I am indeed VERY successful at paseporking is the fact that I have each of the target layouts commited to memory and I follow a standard path of approach on each one depending on target. This makes it almost too easy to pork a feild.
These "small med and large" feild maps that we can pull up on our clipboard in in AH1 are not HTC issue they are aftermarket maps created by someone else as an aid to the game
The fact that the bug report was sent to and responded by Fester doesnt surprise me. It is after all HIS  creation therefore he would be and should be the one doing the fixing. IF it needs fixing. ( a fact that wasrecently pointed out to me in the  terrain editor forum and now placed in this context I better understand and agree with) But What fester has done is something I also pointed out in that forum. and that is he took what humanity has done throughout time. and that is to take someone elses idea and improve upon it and it IS an improvement. And as I also mentioned in that forum. If humanity held to the status quo of standards and never made improvements on others ideas we'd still be banging rocks against flint to make fire.
what Fester was pointing out to you was the fact that this was no bug but an intentional placement of a feild or runway.
I was originally a strong sceptic of this map but after careful study of it I have to tip my hat to fester and congrat him on his sence of innovation. He had an idea, he took the bull by the gonads and ran with it which is more then most of us. Myself included can say.
And in the end did a great job in giving us something different then the same ol same.

WTG Fester

Originally posted by Jackal1
Agreed. A little standardiseing of new maps being introduced would go a long way.
  Seems like , as it is, even field designations such as small, med, large or not being held to on Totoland.
  I tryed reporting that one of the fields on Totoland , designated as a small field actualy had a "sister" field or an extra runway adjoining it. I used the "Bug Reports" section to do this. I was promptly replied to by Pester with the fact that it was Midway iIsland and was supposed to be that way. Comments about surprises, eating at McDonalds , etc were also added to be so very cute.
  #1 I assumed the test arena was put up for the same reason all the test arenas are put up, For testing and the reporting of bugs.
 #2 I also assumed that`s what the Bug reports forum was put up bt HTC for. In other words to report bugs about a terrain or whatever is being tested to the folks at HTC.
  I didn`t realize that Pester had purchased HTC. If this is the case the name needs to be changed to Pester Tech Creations. If not I think it needs to be left to HT, Skuzzy and staff.
  The point I am trying to make is the players at least need to be let in on what is included in the map instead of just a few knowing what is actualy included .
  When you pull up your "small field " map on the clipboard you will find one, single runway at that field. There is no notation that you are headed on an Easter egg hunt or to Fantasy Island for a rousing scavenger hunt with Tattoo.
  That is all. You may now return to your regualrly scheduled programming.

[Jackal1]

That`s your opinion, and your entitled to it, but I am slso entitled to mine.
  As far as Pesters fixing this or fixing that , I disagree. I have a few other definitions for it other than "fixing", such as screwed up, FUBARed, arcadeish, and the ever so popular lame.

[mars01]

Overlag, stop feeding the banana's egos. If pizza led to milkrunning so much, why can't these guys get their k/d ratios up higher?

Metavoss you are such a maroon and one of the biggest milk runners in the game.

Score doesn't mean crap, you can get a sense for how a person flys but it is very misleading as to the persons ability.  Personally I have been flying into the biggest red dar bars trying to kill and survive.  I up from fileds that are capped to try and survive.  This has destroyed my score but made me a much better opponent.  But lets take you for example, I havnt looked but you probably have some pumped up score from all your cherry picking and milk running and your at best average.

AS for Pizza it has nothing to do with milk running and has everything to do with boring flights that take forever to get into few fights.

you don't have a clue bud.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Jackal1
That`s your opinion, and your entitled to it, but I am slso entitled to mine.
  As far as Pesters fixing this or fixing that , I disagree. I have a few other definitions for it other than "fixing", such as screwed up, FUBARed, arcadeish, and the ever so popular lame.

Tell ya what. why dont you create a map so we can all see how an un screwed up,  unFubared, unarcadish map thats not lame is done.
Bet ya cant do it.
Bet ya cant come even close.
In Fact I'd even be willing to bet cash money that Your map would generate 10 fold the whines that this map has.

[mars01]

No most people would still be in MA.
Cause everyone wants to go to MA reguardless of what map is up.
And most of the time people do not even pay atention to what other arenas may be open on the list, they just by habit click on the MA
If the Pizza theory were true, when pizza was up most people would head to CT.

Yeah this is a strange phenom.  Personally if certain maps are up I look elsewhere, but unfortunatly, there is little else to be found so I end up back in the MA till, I get bored to death then, log and play IL2.

I am surprised to see that few people leave the MA.  After everyone crying, myself included, for the OZ map I figured it would be loaded.

[mars01]

Thought the map looked pretty cool from the post in the beginning but after looking at the test I hope it doesn;t make it into rotation. Looks like a PT Boat furball hell.

But my perspective may be skewed somewhat since I like playing for captures much more than furballing. And I truly hate the crappy Island maps HTC wont dump.
 

What is furball hell.  It's not like furballs happen all over the map.  They usually happen in one spot for a little while.  So go takea base thats not in the path of the furball.  

The crappy island maps suck because there are not enough carriers.  This map is loaded with them.  

Why are you so closed minded that you don't want to see it go into rotation and at least test you theory?

This map brings facets to the game that have not been there in any other maps.  Just the multitude of carriers alone should change the face of the game play here.  

So you might have to come up with new tactics.   Isn't that part of the fun of base capture or are you another one that only likes to take undefended bases?

[mars01]

made ozkansas design with the intention that it should be resetable and wanted to keep the front moving so that players can fight on all parts of the map because every part of the map is completely detailed and very interesting in its own way. very little is the same, even the terrain changes from tropical island looking to aird and dry.

lots to see lots to fight over.

You did a great job Fester I cant wait till either the numbers get up in the Test Arena or it makes it into the MA.  It is going to be great to see how this thing actually plays.  Bravo:aok

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by mars01
Yeah this is a strange phenom.  Personally if certain maps are up I look elsewhere, but unfortunatly, there is little else to be found so I end up back in the MA till, I get bored to death then, log and play IL2.

I am surprised to see that few people leave the MA.  After everyone crying, myself included, for the OZ map I figured it would be loaded.

Thats cause everyone wants to be where the crowd is.
Most people by second nature just go to the main arena without even noticing if something else is up. So by default that is going to be where the crowd is.
then even if people do see something new up in a testing arena.
Most people dont want to be bothered testing. they want to play.

 Unfortunately In the end the only REAL testing this map is gonna get is when its introduced into rotation.

Same thing with AHII. only a relitively small number of folks are spending any time testing it and learning it

Ironic thing is when these are introduced fully into play there will be no shortage of whines about every little thing from base placement to flight modeling. Even though people have been given every opportunity to test and learn before hand.

I peronally am however looking forward with great eagerness to the enevitable whines that will be comming from Spit drivers in AHII when they find that 2/3s of their current super manuvers will send them spiraling into the dirt
Then Im gonna giggle at em. Im gonna giggle at em ALOT

[mars01]

Thats cause everyone wants to be where the crowd is.
Most people by second nature just go to the main arena without even noticing if something else is up. So by default that is going to be where the crowd is.
then even if people do see something new up in a testing arena.
Most people dont want to be bothered testing. they want to play.

Yeah I lean toward this explantion, it makes sense.

And also, the numbers that post on this board are so small, realtive to those that play the game, that not many people even knew a new map was in the make.

I hope they leave it in test until they put it rotation.

[SlapShot]

"I peronally am however looking forward with great eagerness to the enevitable whines that will be comming from Spit drivers in AHII when they find that 2/3s of their current super manuvers will send them spiraling into the dirt
Then Im gonna giggle at em. Im gonna giggle at em ALOT"

Its all relative DRED. Alot of players will be spiraling into the dirt in ALL planes. The new FM effects all planes. It won't take long for a good Spit pilot to adjust.

(Still) Fear the Spit !!! ...


As far as the naysayers for OZPac ... <>  

Anything different or challenging and not within the bounds of "standardiseing" seems to get a lot of people's panties in a bunch. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Tell ya what. why dont you create a map so we can all see how an un screwed up,  unFubared, unarcadish map thats not lame is done.
Bet ya cant do it.
Bet ya cant come even close.
In Fact I'd even be willing to bet cash money that Your map would generate 10 fold the whines that this map has.

  That swooshing sound you heard was not a low flying jet.
  This map has not been introduced in the MA yet. Compared to other maps that have been put in the test arena this one seems to be mostly vacant. Wonder why?

[Citabria]

Originally posted by Jackal1
That swooshing sound you heard was not a low flying jet.
  This map has not been introduced in the MA yet. Compared to other maps that have been put in the test arena this one seems to be mostly vacant. Wonder why?

because this map sucks jackal its not nearly as good as those other arenas in the test arena.

um what other maps are you refering to btw?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by mars01
No wonder we havn't seen this map in test earlier.

If they didn't put it up while festers first map was in the MA no one would be there lol

Mars, you might want to revise this post. I have just been to the AH login screen. A children's map is up in the MA - NDISLES? And OzKansas map is up in its own arena.

The arena count is: MA: 375. OzKan Test arena 3. Sounds like the scenario you predicted had the Pizza map been up. In fact, it's the scenario with the children's map up.

Maybe you need to revise your theories?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Citabria
because this map sucks jackal its not nearly as good as those other arenas in the test arena.

um what other maps are you refering to btw?

  Other arenas in test arena?? Hmmmmmm I reckon.

Any of the maps that have been in a test arena . They are always well frequented to work out bugs.