new russian weapon...US shield is useless

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Rino
Wonder if it worked as well as the air defenses?  They seemed
to have a bit of trouble stopping the West German Cessna 172
"stealth bomber" from landing in Red Square.

Rust was tracked from the very moment when he crossed the border. He flew from Finland, BTW. If it was not in 1986 but 15 years earlier - he must have been shot down immediately or forced to land. Remember, Gorby was trying to sell the country to the West?

The whole affair looks like a provocation that have let Gorby get rid of the old defence minister Sokolov and PVO (aircraft defence) commander Koldunov. Koldunov was a best Yak ace, IIRC 45 victories, not counting two American P-38s he shot down when they vulched his airfield near Nish in Yugoslavia, Nov. 7th, 1944. He died a few months after Rust's landing on Red Square

[Boroda]

Originally posted by AKIron
Boroda did when he said their new weapon has rendered our shield useless. Of course I realize that Boroda probably doesn't have a clue regarding his nation's secrets. Russia no doubt has a spy network but I'm confident it isn't half as effective as when at the height of the USSR.

The opinion that I repeated here is based on the current state of affairs in rocket technology. I mean that sci-fi like "boost-stage intercept" was not thought of. The idea of a hypersonic-maneuverable warhead that can hit the atmosphere and jump back into space makes intercept on entrance impossible. Usual ICBM trajectory gives you a relatively narrow dispersion ellipse, while this new warhead can "trigger" your ABM launch and easily move out of it's range to hit a remote target. More to say - it can perform evasive maneuvers on entrance at hypersonic speed with significant accelerations. At least it's what you can understand from vague materials given to the press so far.

[Wolfala]

Borda

MARV's have been around for quite sometime - but like the MIRV before it - was thought to be highly destabilizing and hence was never put into service.

Now as START II was ratified all land based missiles both US and FSU are to be de-mirved. This because Land Based missiles are inherantly more accurate. SLBM's however retain their MIRV'ing since they are not as accurate - however a CEP of 300 meters for an SLBM is hardly less accurate IMO. Its just not meant for hardened targets such as digging out bunkers, silo's, etc. Land based ICBM's have that responsability.

If you guys want a good read - try the publication from April 2000 by the Union of Concerned Scientists - "Countermeasures" Here's the link. Its an excellent read for anyone who wants a severe background check into missile defense problems and countermeasures without the political bull**** from both U.S. and Russia.

Fact that the FSU had an ABM system is incidential to its value because they were nuclear tip'd interceptors. They could intercept 1 RV - but the moment that goes off - you blind yr radar and hence, yrself against any future RV's that are imbound.

http://www.ucsusa.org/publications/report.cfm?publicationID=132





Wolf

[Red Tail 444]

Thread HiJack, on a somewhat related note

("Excuse me while I whip this out...")

I also heard several years ago that the Chinese have a method of detecting stealth aircraft, by reading television and radio transmission signals as the aircraft passes through its airspace. As the signal is interrupted, they can determine the speed and size of the aircraft.


Please, don't ask where I read this from, although I believe it was Reuters, sometime in the early 90's, after Desert Shield.

[midnight Target]

Boroda give it up!

Our collective noodle is way bigger than your collective noodle.

[Nilsen]

should be possible in theory and in a controlled enviroment but not in real life.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Thread HiJack, on a somewhat related note

("Excuse me while I whip this out...")

I also heard several years ago that the Chinese have a method of detecting stealth aircraft, by reading television and radio transmission signals as the aircraft passes through its airspace. As the signal is interrupted, they can determine the speed and size of the aircraft.


Please, don't ask where I read this from, although I believe it was Reuters, sometime in the early 90's, after Desert Shield.

One problem with that, lotta Chinese don't have television.

[Naso]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Boroda give it up!

Our collective noodle is way bigger than your collective noodle.

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