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Offline Dune

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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2004, 05:05:59 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2004, 05:42:43 PM »
One can but hope for the best.  Ideally, after the new government is firmly in place, complete with its own security forces, we can pull out with the satisfaction of knowing that we have done all that is humanly, and humanely, possible.

Perhaps, when we are gone, the Sunni thugs will realize that we are no longer there to keep the Shi'ite population from exacting a bloody vengeance, and will then come to their senses and seek a peaceful resolution.

But let's not sit on a hot stove until that happens.

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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2004, 07:48:57 PM »
Very good points there Red Tail and Ravells! Thanks gents!

I very much agree Somalia and Iraq are totally different situations. And to Red Tail's point I believe it is desperation as well. However, if a group can create a media event (out of desperation) then it may give them more power in their insurgency efforts. Whether direct or indirect, it may help some to achieve their goals.

I just believe the goal of some "leadership" in the insurgency was to create a "blackhawk down" type of event vis a vi bodies being dragged through the street. And more on Red Tail's point on desperation, what else could they do? If I were in a leadership position in the insurgency, and given all the world history and cultural considerations, it is exactly what I would have done, assuming I had the same cultural and mindset background. It could potentially undermine western support as well as increase the propensity of every Jihad Johnny in the region to join in on the attack against the infidels.

If I were an analyst on the Iraq desk I would be looking at both western and arab media's take on this event very carefully. There is a lot more depth here than just the killing and mistreatment of corpses.

The thing is though, one can only use that tactic so many times until it does not have the desired effect. Reaction of the public gets hardened.

And another point on Red Tail's comment, I believe more is in the works for that area, particularly now. The marines are back. A bit of rooting out is on its way.

Ok and finally, another thought....how did the media get there so quickly? That region of Iraq is still "indian country" so to speak and very dangerous for anyone from anywhere not local. If westerner's are so hated, then why not kill the western reporters that showed up as well? Yes, all types of media showed up to get a peek because it was a "story".

Those vehicles were burning! still BURNING! Has that been seen in awhile on the media?
« Last Edit: April 02, 2004, 07:17:29 AM by rogwar »

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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2004, 10:05:09 PM »
Well Rogwar I like you I really  do.
But I have no love for any muslim .
There people have caused more harm to my people in the last 50years its just sick.
They are cowards savages that do this kind of thing and I for one am sickend every time I see one on the street.


Cause hell I have no idea If there "good muslim" or a bad one.
I mean how do you tell?

they have the eggs to whine about background checks when thay come here LOL.
Well Geezus what do you think we should do?

open the gates back up and let some more terrorist in to kill some more Americans?

Is Profiling wrong?
I a perfect world YES.
But we aint in the leave it to beaver world anymore.

There are COUNTRIES out there that want us DEAD.
WAKE UP people we trully are at war weather you like it or not those are the facts.

Do we take the fight to them or waight for them to start bombings here like in Israel?

You may not like Bush Hell I think in some ways he is a dipchit but I do think when is comes to protecting Americans he Is doing a pretty good job.

Think about it when your the Pres and you send young people to war were they might die.

You will be second guessed buy every "expert" in the country.

And also think about this he get the casualty reports every morning im sure
do you think he feels good about of the deaths of young Americans?

Come on like him or not he is human it has to suck to be President In times like these.

So as far as muslims go maybe someday when ever there brothers stop killing people i Might  give a rats arse about them.

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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2004, 11:22:22 PM »
sometimes the press need bullets in thier cameras instead of film
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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2004, 11:57:26 PM »
1 word....Thermobaric weapons....and lots of them....that'll change their opinion drastically when they no longer have eyes.


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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2004, 01:20:47 AM »
I take it that you were against the war from the start then Westy.

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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2004, 04:06:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
Fallujah is a Sunni stronghold.  The minority Sunnis (30% of population) have controlled Iraq by proxy through Hussein for 35 years using maximum brutality and genocide against the majority of Iraqis.  They (Sunnis) know that they will be dealt with harshly by a whole lot of non-sunni Iraqis with an axe to grind and really have no future since they were removed from power by the US led coalition.  This fuels their hatred and results in the butchery we saw today.

If I were in Charge in Iraq I would surround that city, give one opportunity for the women and children to exit peacefully then level the place entirely.  A warning to the other Sunni population centers to seek peace or suffer the same fate.  Time to cut these people out of the picture.  As long as the sunnis are allowed to resist and behave like animals Iraq is doomed.


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sometimes the press need bullets in thier cameras instead of film


Nice to see the Xian boys take some time off from convincing us  that Islam is the religion of terror to chime in with the old "What would Jesus do?" brand of tolerance and "turn the other cheek" forgiveness. Shows us by example what a real religion of peace is all about. You guys are just all heart - I dunno how you do it. ;)
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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2004, 04:43:31 AM »
lol Dead :D
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« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2004, 05:51:04 AM »
I thought rogwar was being a bit optimistic when he started this thread.

Ah well.

Ravs

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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2004, 06:08:07 AM »
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Originally posted by Westy
"Q: Why wasting any soldiers or people or money in Iraq ?

"A1: The best would be to leave the Iraq and watch how they kill each other in a civil war."

 "A2:My feeling also."


  Sheesh. None of the suggestions I've seen have measured up to the capabilities of the old Bathe party.  Seems Saddam and gang were doing a good job after all (of killing Iraqi's) and the US/UK didn't need to invade Iraq to liberate a repressed, civilized people after all.


If USA entered Iraq to disarm Saddam of WMD's and put Saddam in jail then USA has achieved both of these aims.

Why not leave?

As long as USA stays in Iraq American's will continue to be killed and in 1 year or 3 years or 5 years when they leave - as leave they eventually will the body count will be in the thousands of both sides and there will be an ernest discussion in here on whether the memorial to the is good enough to honour the glorius dead.

Pretty stupid waste of good men if you ask me.....

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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2004, 07:16:22 AM »
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Originally posted by ravells
I thought rogwar was being a bit optimistic when he started this thread.

Ah well.

Ravs


I was but then I changed....I was tired and had been drinking so I have edited it a bit now. Don't want to hijack my own thread in the end.

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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2004, 07:59:15 AM »
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
Well Rogwar I like you I really  do.
But I have no love for any muslim .
There people have caused more harm to my people in the last 50years its just sick.
They are cowards savages that do this kind of thing and I for one am sickend every time I see one on the street.


What the hell have the Muslims ever done to INDIANS?!

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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2004, 08:33:09 AM »
rogwar; would have prefered to relay msg via eml but never been able to get your eml. three of the four were graduates of our "alma matter". number four was former army and by all accounts a true operator. our three were from the younger crowd so i doubt you ever did a platoon with one of em. if you want the names i need an eml for you. regarding your question i agree and add that probably smart move by area commander to not go after bodies. enemy probably set up to ambush a co or two of marines. if marines fight off ambush with little or no losses still would have been some dead local women + kids for enemy propoganda. rest assured the payback is coming. unlike mogadishu our guys have control of area and control access to area. "only a matter of time".

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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2004, 08:57:18 AM »
"Pretty stupid waste of good men if you ask me....."


 I agree.

 However I think it was all a stupid waste to begin with when all of the effort, expense and lives that have gone into invading and occupying Iraq could have been better spent boosting the real war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.