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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #300 on: April 11, 2004, 10:09:43 AM »
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"of course yu can't dance... yer a honky."

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Now that really hurts.


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« Reply #301 on: April 12, 2004, 04:40:20 AM »
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His whole post is typical liberal whiny sneak around the back side of every subject..  we didn'[t even know what he was upset about till 100 or so posts...Can't help it if you decided to not read the very first post of this thread ;) . Go re-read it again and tell me that it took the 100th post for you to understand where I was coming from. BTW, you still don't. Who's this "we" stuff?  
I do not like humorless people.  You're right, most people don't, including me.  
If we can't make fun of the words and the stereotype then we give em power... You're fishing at his point.

If someone says I can't joke about the stereotypes with friends then they had better have more reason than hurt feeling to back up limiting free speech.
Never said that. Re-read my posts. What you do is your business and your right.

subaru wishes to ban some words and goes on this campaign but, like most liberals he is unwilling to anger other minorities and defends rap music... the most racist and gender demeanig crap that ever came down the pike.Again, never said that. Quit putting words in my mouth and making up an argument to suit your argument.

No... his only interest is in banning a word that he personally finds offensive... So... how do we do it?  take it out of movies and books and "art" altogether or.... would just keeping  lazs from saying or writing it be enough?   would not one of my posts be considered "art".... certainly as much as rap?
Again, never said that. Quit putting words in my mouth and making up an argument to suit your argument.

And.. where do we stop?   Should terms and words that christians find offensive be banned also?   How bout Okies and white guys?   How bout muslims or whoever?.... is subarus sensibilities any more important and deserving of.... Of actually banning a word.... free speech... than anyone elses? Again, never said that. Quit putting words in my mouth and making up an argument to suit your argument.  

lazs


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Now having said all that, I have an announcement to make to most as it isn't easy to eat crow here:
I apologize.
I painted myself into an idealogical corner without realizing it until tonight. It took a couple of wise people to diplomatically guide me in the right direction.
I "made" myself think more of a word alone NOT CONSIDERING intent, all to lend extra weight to my "argument." (Yeah, I can be stubborn.)
Truth is, racial labels are not used here on this BBS that often. Lazs, in your posts where you use "Jap" cars, etc., it doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me when I hear some WWII vets use the term as that was a time of our culture then (Besides they've earned that right). Last time it did "hurt" was about 30 years ago a long time ago. No one's used that term against me since then. Your intent as I saw it wasn't to put down anyone. Now if anyone here says anything along the lines of "Intern those J** B******", I'm sure everyone here will understand if I get P.O.'d.
Also, anyone denied a job, etc., only because of their race, color, religion, and/or their sex is wrong, including whites. We're not "there" yet as far as being a prejudice-free society, but we're getting there. As an American, I don't like banning free speech (1st Amendment and all).
Again to close, I apologize. I made myself sensitiveto "validate" an argument not necessary here.
Regards.
P.S. Crow doesn't taste too bad with a little salt and ketchup....hmm kinda tastes like chicken :D

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« Reply #302 on: April 12, 2004, 06:38:25 AM »
saburo..  I know that you still don't believe that you give words power by getting upset at them but it is a fact.

I have no idea how you would take me if we were around each other but I know that if intent is the basis for all words causing anger or offense.   If you could not divine my intent or, I did not make it clear enough or... you were just hypersensitive or looking for a reason to get upset then we would probly not get along.  

When we say "okied up truck" we don't mean that all people from OK have mudflaps and confederate flags...   If I say "jap car" I am belittleing the car and owner..  and as I said... stereotypes can lose their power if you make fun of em and bring em out in the open.

Now... If the INTENT in say a bar or or such of a person or group of persons was to anger and humiliate... say the "jap" thing again I would probly help you... I wouldn't tell em they couldn't say "jap" cause that would give them an edge.. I would make fun of them for something else till they lost it (a bigot is easy to goad in my experiance) and then we could wup their ass(s) or get ours wooped together.   We would have the power and never let em know they got too us.

How would that be?

lazs

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« Reply #303 on: April 12, 2004, 01:38:00 PM »
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saburo..  I know that you still don't believe that you give words power by getting upset at them but it is a fact.

I have no idea how you would take me if we were around each other but I know that if intent is the basis for all words causing anger or offense.   If you could not divine my intent or, I did not make it clear enough or... you were just hypersensitive or looking for a reason to get upset then we would probly not get along.  

When we say "okied up truck" we don't mean that all people from OK have mudflaps and confederate flags...   If I say "jap car" I am belittleing the car and owner..  and as I said... stereotypes can lose their power if you make fun of em and bring em out in the open.

Now... If the INTENT in say a bar or or such of a person or group of persons was to anger and humiliate... say the "jap" thing again I would probly help you... I wouldn't tell em they couldn't say "jap" cause that would give them an edge.. I would make fun of them for something else till they lost it (a bigot is easy to goad in my experiance) and then we could wup their ass(s) or get ours wooped together.   We would have the power and never let em know they got too us.

How would that be?

lazs

Lazs, it's all about intent in my book. If you treated me with respect (as I would you) and we got into a discussion about WWII and you started slipping with the "Jap" label discussing about the Japanese soldiers, it wouldn't offend me. You stated you talk a certain way, you don't mean harm by it, I'll accept it. I still won't talk that way though as that's me. ;)
Now if someone got in my face all because they didn't like my race or the way I look, then I'd have a problem with it.
"Do unto others as you'd have others do unto you" is a good statement to live by.
You coming to the Chino Airshow in mid-May? It would be cool to meet you and the others here to put a face behind the posts. Don't worry about me as I don't think I'd have to worry about you. You don't need to feel like you're walking on eggshells around me, either. :)
regards.
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« Reply #304 on: April 12, 2004, 05:30:52 PM »
There is a very important disctinction.

It is one thing if someone uses words which are merely insulting (like Jap) or if you are fat, Fatty, or if you are ugly, 'Spanner', or if you have a big nose...'concord'.

It is quite another thing, to discriminate against people in terms of jobs, or to do violence to them becasuse they happen to be Japanese, or are fat or ugly or have big noses.

The practicality of the situation is that people tend to get discriminated against for one of three reasons: they are not of the indinginous population (in our case, white), they are female, or they are disabled.  It is a bit arbitary, but be happy that you at least have that muc on your side.

In all three cases (sorry Lasz, including women) people of these groups represent significant population sectors, and have an equal mental ability, but haven't been given the breaks. Like blacks until the the Tuskegee (sp?) airmen.  

So my view is that if someone happens to call you a jap (or me a Paki) deal with it. It's really not a big deal.

As Lasz said, it's a question of intent. Most people can detect malice from just a word that's used in passing conversation.

Seems to me you want to live in some sort of perfect world. Well, it isn't. So you have to learn how to take a few knocks and grow a thicker skin. Particularly if the terms used only hurt your feelings.

Still, I salute your courage for fighting the point.

Ravs

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« Reply #305 on: April 12, 2004, 05:33:43 PM »
If anybody calls Surbabaruro a jap at the airshow, we will feed them feet first into the rotating prop of the PoF A6M5.

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« Reply #306 on: April 12, 2004, 05:38:24 PM »
As I recall he's only half japanese.

So just do half of the person in the airscrew.

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« Reply #307 on: April 12, 2004, 05:46:59 PM »
I can understand that, I'm african american from the waist down.

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« Reply #308 on: April 12, 2004, 06:06:44 PM »
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Well, that sounds like the difference then.  A lot of people see PC as being totally separate from the other three you listed.  As in far below.  Myself included.  

If someone told me I was being impolite or disrespectful, I'd probably apologize or change my behavior.  If someone told me I was being un-PC, I'd probably tell them to piss off.


Yep, there's a difference between having proper manners/using them, and showing common courtesy and being PC.  

Of course "they"* are going to say that to have proper manners and be courteous is being PC, when it has nothing to do with being PC...

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« Reply #309 on: April 12, 2004, 07:02:22 PM »
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I can understand that, I'm african american from the waist down.


Laz wannabe.

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« Reply #310 on: April 12, 2004, 07:37:15 PM »
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If anybody calls Surbabaruro a jap at the airshow, we will feed them feet first into the rotating prop of the PoF A6M5.

LOL. Naw, that would probably ruin a good prop! :D
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« Reply #311 on: April 12, 2004, 07:50:49 PM »
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Laz wannabe.


Well a young man could do worse for a role model.  However I always wear at least chaps with my cowboy boots.

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« Reply #312 on: April 12, 2004, 08:07:37 PM »
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I can understand that, I'm african american from the waist down.

Not according to SOB and Airhead. :D
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« Reply #313 on: April 12, 2004, 08:13:37 PM »
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Well a young man could do worse for a role model.  However I always wear at least chaps with my cowboy boots.


and a loaded gun of course...