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« Reply #285 on: April 10, 2004, 03:38:44 PM »
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Hmm, ya I agree with you but having slaves was somewhat the norm 200+ years ago.  Tell me, what do we call the people in Africa who captured the future slaves and sold them to the slavers?


I read an article from an afro-american christian group who blames slavery on africans who sold and owned slaves. They're thoughts are not popular among the afro-american community, of course.
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« Reply #286 on: April 10, 2004, 03:51:27 PM »
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Great, just great, 240 posts on political correctness, and only 10 on the NFL draft. What kind of horrid place is this!!


Ok, i'll admit it, I got sucked into the black hole (or is it not PC to say black hole;) )
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« Reply #287 on: April 10, 2004, 03:58:38 PM »
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« Reply #288 on: April 10, 2004, 04:25:25 PM »
Let me throw another angle at you. Gay rights activists have interpreted the constitution as saying two men or women have the right to be married. Now alot of us do not interpret it that way(me included), because we do not feel when the constitution was written, that they had that in mind.(and no Akiron, I do not believe they were homophobes;) ) Now it has beed interpreted that they (gay activists) are right, and have the constitutional right to be married.

So what happens? A constitutional amendment preventing gay marriage.

Because what politician is going to risk his political future opposing it?

Ok, now let us say that the supreme court rules that any anti-discrimination laws are illegal, and that discrimination is legal(because the constitution doesn't say it is illegal, therefore, making discrimination legal).  

So what happens? A constitutional amendment making discrimination illegal.

And what politician would oppose that? It wouldn't be very PC, now would it?

Just a thought.

BTW http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/first_amendment.html
"The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence."
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« Reply #289 on: April 10, 2004, 04:36:32 PM »
It's the terms gay and marriage that confuses some people.:D





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« Reply #290 on: April 10, 2004, 08:42:58 PM »
You may agree or you may not agree with the right to BE anything however ....

Read the preamble to the of the Bill of Rights.

It states clearly these are NOT rights given by the state!

It states that these are rights endowed by the Creator in all of us and are not subject to any state infringement/interference.

How is it that these rights have become less over the years?  

Is it that those in governance have lessened these rights and We the people have allowed it by not fighting them or giving them a serious argument?

Is it that and the Government has used force/the threat of violence, and actual violence to enforce these encrouchment?

Is it that at times many of the people have backed these encrouchments forgetting the words that you must protect the rights even of those you may hate or you open the way to the loss of your own rights?

So have we as a people, as a nation, bought into the "we are the goverenment we know all, and we see all, and we decide all, and we are here to kill you for your own good" argument?  Which to me is at the very roots of P.C. and is in a large part what P.C. is really about ---> CONTROL!

Why does the government prefer to shoot down a 747 full of innocent people that has been hijacked?

Arm the pilots?  You really think they are doing that?  Ya right!  Better look again.
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« Reply #291 on: April 10, 2004, 08:48:42 PM »
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« Reply #292 on: April 10, 2004, 10:09:32 PM »
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I read an article from an afro-american christian group who blames slavery on africans who sold and owned slaves.


History as I've read it says that many/most of the slaves were provided by other africans who sold them to slavers.  I'm not saying they are wholly to blame but it certainly seems that black people have some responsibility for slavery as well.
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« Reply #293 on: April 10, 2004, 10:44:50 PM »
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History as I've read it says that many/most of the slaves were provided by other africans who sold them to slavers.  I'm not saying they are wholly to blame but it certainly seems that black people have some responsibility for slavery as well.


I't is silly to blame the slave "catchers" for the whole thing, but it is as silly to overlook their role.


There were black slave holders in the US for f* sake.

Besides, there was nothing unusual about the slavery at this time. As matter of fact most of the human history was based on slave labor. No matter what race, what culture, what time. It was simply a time where no matter how hard you worked you just could not feed yourself and your family. So.... you went to war. Either you got some slaves to feed you, or you became a slave to feed your victors.

Like it or not, 99% of human history not only accepted slavery as normal, they relied on it for survival.

I'm not a  historian, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the oldest written records date say 3-5,000 BC? Lets "start" a human civilisation at 10,000 BC. The slavery was a principal engine of the economy for 12, 000 - 300 years.

It is ridiculous for the modern TV fed generation to get "outraged" at our ancestors and the things they've done.

We just don't realize how good a life we really have. You go to Safeway and buy a tomato for $0.25. 300 years ago you had to bust your bellybutton for a year to produce one.

Even today, cultures that chose not to modernize and take adventage of the modern technology, are basically starving to death.

We have DirectTV and $50 DVD players, and they are eating the dirt. Why? They simply chose their way of life, and we chose another.
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« Reply #294 on: April 10, 2004, 11:18:03 PM »
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I't is silly to blame the slave "catchers" for the whole thing, but it is as silly to overlook their role.


Are you saying I'm silly?  I'm confused because I specifically said they weren't wholly to blame but shared some  responsibility.  It seems we are saying the same thing, except I think you put more effort and eloquence into the thought.
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« Reply #295 on: April 11, 2004, 12:11:25 AM »
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Are you saying I'm silly?  I'm confused because I specifically said they weren't wholly to blame but shared some  responsibility.  It seems we are saying the same thing, except I think you put more effort and eloquence into the thought.


No Steve. I'm not saying that you are silly. We are saying the same thing.
I was just trying to highlight the point that there is no one person who is guilty of slavery. Slavery was a system. It had many layers of participants, and any attempt to just blame one layer is wrong.

It is very easy to paint a picture of evil slave owner as a bad guy, but this of course is a simplification. There were many people who benefited from the slavery.

Those who defeated them and captured them (probably mostly black), those who transported them to the coast, those who sold them to the ship owners, those who transported them over the ocean, sold the again etc.

Those involved were africans, europeans, arabs you name it, It's just taht it become fashionable to blame Western Culture for everything.

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« Reply #296 on: April 11, 2004, 03:07:05 AM »
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Now that is funny... I am not the one who got on here and was so sensitive that I hid my motives behind a PC thread..No, you got on here being all sensitive about your justification for using certain deragatory labels as being acceptable, heck even now you have a need to keep justifying it. No need to try to convince me as I made a simple request (I thought), you've stated you won't as it's your right. It is your right. I did not hide my motives and if you've read my posts you'll see that I didn't.    
your whole point to the thread was to make people stop using the word jap.
Partially correct. Racial epithets are just not a civilized way to treat and label fellow innocent players on this BBS.    
It is pitiful... LOL, and you label this pitiful? You, a man that has no idea of how certain labels can be ugly. You can't even tell the difference. Look in the mirror before you throw around labels. Sad, really.
I would imagine that  you are one of the few japannese that is offended in the world...
Obviously you believe that. If you truly believed it to be bad, you wouldn't do it. You feel it is generally harmless as you've explained. BTW, most people of Japanese dissent find "Jap" to be a derogatory label. Keep deluding yourself to excuse your using them. It is your right after all.
your replies range from pleading and whining to obscene vehemence..  you are coming unglued over this...  most of the words you tell me I don't type can't be typed on this board...  as for "germ"  hey... the term get's used a lot here.
They were for sample purposes only, to perhaps add a different light to the argument to illustate some points. Obviously they were lost on you.

I will continue to type what I want within the boundries of this BB... As is your right to do.
in fact... I might type "jap" a lot more since I know it irritates someone as pissy as you...
By all means go ahead! Actually you might want to put it in your sig so it will come up every time you post! It's a reflection of you and your values, not of mine. In any case Lazs, I'll still get a chuckle out of funny things you type, agree with you when you're right (particularly about firearms), and disagree with you when you're wrong. LOL, btw, don't be so "pissy" because I disagree with you.  
you may type honky or okie or whitey or whatever.
It is quite obvious that you've missed my argument if you'd even think that I'd do such a thing. Racial epithets are not my thing, they are not good. Period.
Maybe there will be some half white guy who get's all worked up.  I make not justifications for what I say.
But you do. Your posts in this thread are attempts at justification. The three sentences following are also justifications by you.  
[JUSTIFICATION]I use words to express what I mean...   It doesn't matter if I am doing it badly or not getting my point accross... only that I have the freedom to express myself.[/JUSTIFICATION]
And you have every right to express yourself however you please just as I do of expressing a request.

MT.. the tuskagee airmen should not have been discriminated against nor should any black men... I believe most discrimination was unconstitutional.   They should have had the SAME rights to test for jobs as anyone else.

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« Reply #297 on: April 11, 2004, 03:11:17 AM »
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I win.


Yes, you did :)
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« Reply #298 on: April 11, 2004, 03:43:11 AM »
Seems pretty simple to me.
Ya got a Japanese fellow telling you the term "JAP" Is offensive to Japanese people.

How hard would It be to respect his wishses?
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« Reply #299 on: April 11, 2004, 09:33:23 AM »
bullet or whoever you are... if I were to meet subaru.. and I said jap car or jap and he ent all humorless on it then I would not use the word around him... I would in fact try my best to not be around him at all.

His whole post is typical liberal whiny sneak around the back side of every subject..  we didn'[t even know what he was upset about till 100 or so posts...  I do not like humorless people.   If we can't make fun of the words and the stereotype then we give em power...

If someone says I can't joke about the stereotypes with friends then they had better have more reason than hurt feeling to back up limiting free speech.

subaru wishes to ban some words and goes on this campaign but, like most liberals he is unwilling to anger other minorities and defends rap music... the most racist and gender demeanig crap that ever came down the pike.

No... his only interest is in banning a word that he personally finds offensive... So... how do we do it?  take it out of movies and books and "art" altogether or.... would just keeping  lazs from saying or writing it be enough?   would not one of my posts be considered "art".... certainly as much as rap?

And.. where do we stop?   Should terms and words that christians find offensive be banned also?   How bout Okies and white guys?   How bout muslims or whoever?.... is subarus sensibilities any more important and deserving of.... Of actually banning a word.... free speech... than anyone elses?  

No... in real life... in real practice...  we would avoid contact with subaru once we were confronted with his nerosis.   I would simply avoid him and continue to use the terms like "jap car" and "krout car" when I wanted to express myself.   My mexican and asian friends would continue to joke about my Okie habits... My mexican girlfriend would make fun of me and me of her....

figgin humorless dried up pissy liberals who don't even have the guts to take on a subject head on crack me up.

and... the word jap is not important enough to me to use as a sig.  

Things friends say to each other....  "well of course yu ran into it because you didn't see it.. you were DWA (driving while asian)"... "well of course you would want a huge pickup... where is your confederate flag?  thought all you okies had confederate flags."   "of course yu can't dance... yer a honky."

lazs