To be PC, or not to be PC....

[Pongo]

So all this was an bellybutton backwards passive aggressive whine about using the term jap?

[lazs2]

red tail... read what I wrote.   I don't go out of my way to offend people... well maybe a little but some people are damn easy to offend and deserve it.

I don't use the term you state much around black, colored, negro, african American, melonin superior whatevers... much but refuse to have much to do with one who gets too shook up with me if I do.

lazs

[Stoned Gecko]

What I find interesting is that certain slurs are ok to use with one group of people, but not another. For example I hear Black people call each other "n***er". Does it mean a different thing when a Black person says it? I believe the dictionary only has one definition ... not multiple ones for different races.

I know that someone brought it up with "cracker" and "honkey" as well.

[Steve]

I don't use the term you state much around black, colored, negro, african American, melonin superior whatevers

I have learned to avoid them entirely if possible.  Without exception, every black person I've ever worked with has used race as a tool or made race an issue in the environment.

I've never used racially slanted remarks in the office. When a black woman who I was at one time on friendly terms, and whom at the time I worked with,  told me that "I could have you killed for the price of an 8-ball"  and nothing was done about it, I became convinced of the double standard in society.  This woman called me "cracker" and "white trash" and it was perfectly acceptable. When we were friends, she used to call me "Corn fed white boy".  Not sure if it was an insult or not but I just ignored it.

 I bet if I used anything even remotely racially charged I'd have been fired, sued, and vilified in the press.

I was fresh out of college then, where my best friend and roommate for two years was black.  Had many friends and acquaintances who were black.  

Now that I live in the real world and have learned harsh lessons, I will never hire, nor do business w/ a black person.  I've learned that, generally speaking, black people are more racist that white people by far.

[Stoned Gecko]

This is an interesting link on the subject

http://www.rsdb.org/

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Stoned Gecko
Does it mean a different thing when a Black person says it?

Some would say yes. I don't like it, period. Sometimes other black people, mostly men, use it for any number of reasons. And there are more black people that don't like it, and don't sppreciate it being used, than there are who use it in everyday vernacular.

The stereotype is that black people use it all the time, and I can tell you, at least from my perspective, that is not the case at all. In any event, if you're not black and you use it, I'm fairly certain (and realizing I myself am following a stereotype myself here) that you aren't using it because you're trying to create some kind of bond with your fellow man.

It's bad practice to use epithets anyway, for any reason. "cracker" for example, is derived from slave bosses and overseers, regarding the crack of the whip.

They're all useless terms, IMO. Do as you all will, doesnt affect me either way. Unless it's said to me in person.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Steve
Now that I live in the real world and have learned harsh lessons, I will never hire, nor do business w/ a black person.  I've learned that, generally speaking, black people are more racist that white people by far.

Spoken like a true racist. Those people should have been fired, w/o exception, but that's no excuse for you to assign a negative position on a billion people. For what? three idiots?

Your world must be a very sad place. I will pray for you, You need it.

[mietla]

PC politeness in action.

[Stoned Gecko]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Some would say yes. I don't like it, period. Sometimes other black people, mostly men, use it for any number of reasons. And there are more black people that don't like it, and don't sppreciate it being used, than there are who use it in everyday vernacular.

I don't suppose you have stats on that. Or is that just a guess?

The stereotype is that black people use it all the time, and I can tell you, at least from my perspective, that is not the case at all.

Agreed. I never said that all Black people use it all the time.

In any event, if you're not black and you use it, I'm fairly certain (and realizing I myself am following a stereotype myself here) that you aren't using it because you're trying to create some kind of bond with your fellow man.

Actually my Black friends don't get offended at all, and I don't say it with intent to insult them or put them down. Same goes with then they call me cracker. We just take that n***** means a Black person and c**** means a White person. Granted that others may, and probably will, take it as an insult ... but we can apply that to pretty much every word in the English language.

It's bad practice to use epithets anyway, for any reason.

Among people you don't know, probably. Unless of course you don't care who you offend. I don't see anything wrong with using them with the group that takes no offense and has no problem with them being used.

"cracker" for example, is derived from slave bosses and overseers, regarding the crack of the whip.

The link I posted also has another history, which links it to 16th century ... well before Black slaves in the US if my history is correct.

They're all useless terms, IMO. Do as you all will, doesnt affect me either way. Unless it's said to me in person.

And I respect your opinion.

[Steve]

Spoken like a true racist.  Those people should have been fired, w/o exception, but that's no excuse for you to assign a negative position on a billion people. For what? three idiots?

Spoken like a true black racist that doesn't have the courage to admit there are as many racist black people(percentage wise) as there are racist white people.  

I gave you an example of one person I encountered.  I could give you others but you'd blame them on me as well. It's my fault that I've experienced enough racist bigotry to be on the defensive as far as black people go, it could never be the black persons' fault.



Edit:  How do you explain away the black DJ that was fired recently when she said, on the air, she "has a problem" with white people?. She then went on to say that most of her black friends feel the same way. She later admitted to being prejudiced against white people and reiterated that most of her black friends feel the same.

It goes a lot deeper in the black community than "three idiots".


2nd Edit: as long as we're having this discussion, and you seem to think there isn't a double standard why there isn't a "Miss White America" contest?  The black community would be up in arms. Yet, if white America complained about the  "Miss Black America" contest it would be the white people labeled as racists.
There are all black schools... but if there were all white schools it would be a racist institution. Can July be White History Month?       How can you not know these things and presume there is no double standard?

[NUKE]

Steve,

I will never forget Scott or Todd

[Steve]

Who Merrill?  Christianson?

[NUKE]

no!!!! not them!

[Steve]

OK, who?

[NUKE]

Don't get all dense on me now.