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Offline Zippatuh

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« on: April 05, 2004, 09:01:25 AM »
It’s been a year and what do we have?  A hand full of caster beans and a mound of artillery shells that were obviously forgotten about by whoever buried them in the first place, even if they wanted to use them no one would have been able to find it.

I had stated previously that I would give W until the first of the year and now it appears that I gave him a bit longer.  No WMD’s found and although I know there may be a chance that some will turn up I fall back to one of my mantra’s; anything is possible however improbable that it may be.

Now we’re in the beginnings of an election year and the candidates have finally narrowed down to Kerry.  So what do I have here?  Come in way from the left or stay with way to the right.  I know one thing; I’m tired of seeing the “Anyone but Bush 2004”.  Are they serious?  Pol Pot would be better?  Chairman Mao?  Slobadan Milosevic?  Jacque Chirac?  The only thing that slogan does is highlight the incredibly high level of ignorance the American public has.

I’m faced now with a decision that unsettles me.  So far what I’ve seen from Kerry and had the time to research is that he is following the line of Gore.  Basically, I’m not even sure he knows what he believes in.  Ask him next week and it will most likely change depending on the audience.  If anything I want stability and reassurance of action.  Make a damn decision and stick with it, which brings me back to baby Bush.

I disagree with the man on several points but rest assured I can believe that what he says will be followed up on.  I do not have that feeling with Kerry.  Furthermore the attacks on the administration about the events that lead up to 9/11 is typical America.  “Who’s to blame?  Who can I point a finger at?  More importantly, who can I sue?”  It disgusts me to say the least.  If I had someone personal involved I would want to place blame as well, but hind sight is always 20/20.  To me this is all one political maneuver to place blame on W and his administration for the events of September 11.  It happened and the only ones responsible for the action where the stunninghunks that were driving the aircraft and the even bigger stunninghunks that gave direction and funded them.

There is a lot that concerns me about W.  I have a real problem with adding an amendment to the constitution that defines “marriage”.  I also have a problem with the “righteous sword of god thing” that he has going on.  I believe that I had made the statement that as the election year comes around my voting decisions would be based on what was found and who I have to choose from.  Well, nothing was found and I don’t have much to choose from.

I can understand why much of the world has issues with our foreign policy, because it changes with every administration and radically from one side to the other.  When Clinton was in the world was happy because the man had a 50 gallon drum full of Carmex.  Now that Bush is in, he has no need for the stuff.  I know one thing, I’m getting really tired of having to vote at far ends of the scale but what choice do I have?

We are a country in desperate need of a third party, a centralist party, that is not so fundamentally left or right, something that would give us the choice of slowing down or speeding up but not full tilt one way or the other.

My wife expressed to me over the weekend why she finally understood that her Dad never voted when she was a kid and still doesn’t.  Something that she said absolutely infuriated her about him.  After reading and seeing a few things about the candidates she came to the realization of why he didn’t.  “Look at who I have to choose from?”

Isn’t that the truth.

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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2004, 09:08:55 AM »
Thats pretty much why I dont vote....

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2004, 09:16:00 AM »
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“Who’s to blame? Who can I point a finger at? More importantly, who can I sue?”


OMG!  This part killed me!
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Re: An Average Joe, Bush, and One Year Later
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2004, 09:29:20 AM »
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Furthermore the attacks on the administration about the events that lead up to 9/11 is typical America.  “Who’s to blame?  Who can I point a finger at?  More importantly, who can I sue?”  It disgusts me to say the least.  If I had someone personal involved I would want to place blame as well, but hind sight is always 20/20.  To me this is all one political maneuver to place blame on W and his administration for the events of September 11.


You know the members of the 9/11 Commission were hand picked by Bush don't you? I'm doubting they are attacking the administration as a "political maneuver"

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2004, 09:42:10 AM »
I won't be voting for Bush so much as voting against the left.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2004, 10:23:07 AM »
Good post Zip and sums up my feelings for the most part.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2004, 10:36:20 AM »
Wait for the october surprise, then make a choice..
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2004, 11:50:17 AM »
Hell, I didn't know Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, and Slobadan Milosevic we're running.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2004, 11:58:42 AM »
I hate the extremes of both parties.  The far right and the far left are both about as appealing as syphilis.  I'd be willing to bet that most people identify themselves as Republican or Democrat based as much on the abhorence for the extreme elements of the opposition party as much as for what their chosen party stands for.

There was a thread awhile back about zero-sum government.  The gist was that we were screwed because both parties werre so partisan that they kept each other from getting anything done.  In retrospect, I think this is a good thing.  The lunatic fringe of the parties cannot get anything done in such a scenario.  But when one party begins to dominate positions of governance as the Republicans are now (at least nationally), then that is when the fringe begins to get their agenda pushed through.  

I want some ideological balance back in our government, and that mantra is going to govern most of my voting decisions in the near future.  If we make both parties share power and have to work with each other then they will be forced into moderation.  Without a credible centrist third party, I think this is the best that can be done.

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2004, 12:18:15 PM »
Zippatuh
 Well said, I know how you feel!


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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2004, 12:19:08 PM »
Lance
 Well said as well.

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2004, 12:21:01 PM »
No matter who is running or where they stand over all, you still have to make a choice. Vote or not.

If you vote, there should be a choice you want to make in a "perfect world". If that choice does not exist, since the world isn't "perfect", there should be a lesser of two evils. No matter what, there is always someone or something you want to vote against.

If you do not vote, then don't complaion when things don'y go the way you wanted. You had a chance to make some kind of decision to affect the way things were going. By neglecting that chance, no matter how small it was, you forfiet any reasonable basis for objection. Just go hide your head in the sand and ignore things around you as you gave up the right to contribute to the governing of the land in which you live.

Don't like the choices? Why don't you do something about them? Go start a caucus, write letters, publish articles or simply do whatever you can to make an impact on the party / parties of your choice. If you cannot be bothered to do so then be content to be a nebish and be led wherever the current flows.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2004, 12:26:00 PM »
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 You are right as well.


 What we need is a common mans special interest group! A group that can lobby for the middle ground instead of the Far left/right/corp groups!

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2004, 12:43:39 PM »
What we need is more teams to make the playoffs more interesting.

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2004, 12:46:21 PM »
Oooh! A w-o-t Zipp post. :cool:
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
 I know one thing; I’m tired of seeing the “Anyone but Bush 2004”.  Are they serious?  Pol Pot would be better?  Chairman Mao?  Slobadan Milosevic?  Jacque Chirac?  The only thing that slogan does is highlight the incredibly high level of ignorance the American public has.
It's like that in all democracies. Opposition parties don't win elections. Incumbents lose them. Look at Spain just recently. Look at Britain in 1997. I probably adopted the attitude of "anyone but the Major-Lamont partnership" in 1997, but without voting for the alternative "grass is greener" candidate, Tony Blair. It's a dangerous business to cast a vote for a grass is greener candidate. In Britain the Blair honeymoon lasted all of 3 weeks, and we have since paid a terrible price. The fate of Spain remains to be seen.