An Average Joe, Bush, and One Year Later

[lazs2]

I will vote against the women taking more control of my life and vote for Bush.

If you vote democrat.... why did you ever leave your moms house in the first place....

buncha prius driving, tofu eating PC weeinies.   Don't let the women and the apartment dwellers talk you out of your rights...  

lazs

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by Maverick


If you do not vote, then don't complaion when things don'y go the way you wanted. You had a chance to make some kind of decision to affect the way things were going. By neglecting that chance, no matter how small it was, you forfiet any reasonable basis for objection. Just go hide your head in the sand and ignore things around you as you gave up the right to contribute to the governing of the land in which you live.

 

BINGO!! we have a winner.

[Nefarious]

Good post Zip!

Also good remarks by Maverick.

I was in College In Pittsburgh when "Decision" 2000, rolled around, and was to busy doing other things to vote, To tell you the truth I didnt care. But after the last four years, I realized that I should have, Although it wouldnt have made a difference.

This year, when the time comes I'm going to vote. But these Election choices are worse than 2000. It frustrates me that, In all of the entire country we have these two bozo's to pick from.
In my eye's there is no grass on either side, Both sides are brown and covered in Dog Doo.

[Reschke]

I agree with Zips post here however the only real choice is to hope for the long term and begin working for change locally. This is one reason I am considering running for the city council. In my small city the council is dominated by only Republican's who voice the same party line based on which area they are from and the base salary of that area of town. I consider myself a conservative/independent and want to see my children be able to grow up without having to choose between the lesser of two evils when it is time for them to vote.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by lazs2
I will vote against the women taking more control of my life and vote for Bush.

lazs

If you are married it is too late.

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by Sixpence
If you are married it is too late.

you got that right.
Yes dear be right there Gotta go she wants me to clean the cats little tray. and I better hurry.

[lazs2]

I am not currently married.

lazs

[beet1e]

Churchill puts his wise words to Bush. And the fat lady has a bad throat...

[Zippatuh]

Originally posted by Horn
You know the members of the 9/11 Commission were hand picked by Bush don't you? I'm doubting they are attacking the administration as a "political maneuver"

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Umm, no, I didn't and actually I don't think that they are.  Why would he pick two of the biggest democratic party partisan members?

[Zippatuh]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hell, I didn't know Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, and Slobadan Milosevic we're running.

Hmmm... the bumper stickers say "anyone".  They don't specify any democratic candidate; therefore, an ambiguous statement like that can literaly be taken, well literally, meaning that they want "anyone" but Bush.  So yeah, those would be votes for these gents.

[Zippatuh]

Originally posted by Lance
I hate the extremes of both parties.  The far right and the far left are both about as appealing as syphilis.  I'd be willing to bet that most people identify themselves as Republican or Democrat based as much on the abhorence for the extreme elements of the opposition party as much as for what their chosen party stands for.

There was a thread awhile back about zero-sum government.  The gist was that we were screwed because both parties werre so partisan that they kept each other from getting anything done.  In retrospect, I think this is a good thing.  The lunatic fringe of the parties cannot get anything done in such a scenario.  But when one party begins to dominate positions of governance as the Republicans are now (at least nationally), then that is when the fringe begins to get their agenda pushed through.  

I want some ideological balance back in our government, and that mantra is going to govern most of my voting decisions in the near future.  If we make both parties share power and have to work with each other then they will be forced into moderation.  Without a credible centrist third party, I think this is the best that can be done.

I agree... my normal practice in voting is whoever I'm voting in at the big seat I usualy vote the other party on legislature.  There has to be some parity absent of a third party.  The only time I have voted for both Republican president and state representatives was when Carnahan's wife took his spot in the race for Missouri.

I don't know about you all but my wife doesn't exactly think the same as I do so it is wrong to assume that his wife does.  So I voted for Ashcroft.

[slimm50]

Any of you get involved in politics at the local/ grassroots level? That's where it really gets interesting and fun. You get help decide what planks go into your party's platform. It gives me a sense of accomplishment, even when some of the things I want/ don't want get voted down. At least I tried, and those of you who do participate at that level really do have a right to beef. Not even voting for a candidate, and then moaning about what goes on is just ...hell I don't even know what it is, but it ain't right. If yas don't like yer choices, get involved in the decision-making process at ground level, THEN you have a right to gripe.

[Zippatuh]

Originally posted by Maverick
No matter who is running or where they stand over all, you still have to make a choice. Vote or not.

If you vote, there should be a choice you want to make in a "perfect world". If that choice does not exist, since the world isn't "perfect", there should be a lesser of two evils. No matter what, there is always someone or something you want to vote against.

If you do not vote, then don't complaion when things don'y go the way you wanted. You had a chance to make some kind of decision to affect the way things were going. By neglecting that chance, no matter how small it was, you forfiet any reasonable basis for objection. Just go hide your head in the sand and ignore things around you as you gave up the right to contribute to the governing of the land in which you live.

Don't like the choices? Why don't you do something about them? Go start a caucus, write letters, publish articles or simply do whatever you can to make an impact on the party / parties of your choice. If you cannot be bothered to do so then be content to be a nebish and be led wherever the current flows.

Negative Mav... I will make a choice between the two when it gets closer to the date.  Right now it's looking like Bush, but I'm not comfortable with the decision but I have no other choices.

I, nor do most people, do not have the time to focus on nothing but politics.  If I were born rich and had no other worries I would put it higher on the priority list.  Having food and shelter take some notches above that.

Telling someone to go start there own party or give all the time they have to an existing one they believe in is not realistic.  It's the deep rooted fear that Americans have that has and will hold us to a two party system.  Everyone believes that if you give an inch then they'll take the mile so everyone stands fast to their guns and sticks to one or the other.

I'm not a green member but it made me a bit sad when Nader didn't get enough votes to have federal funding for that party this election.  That's what's really needed for a viable third party... government funding to start off.

[Zippatuh]

Originally posted by Furious
What we need is more teams to make the playoffs more interesting.

Add two months to football.  One at the beginning and one at the end.  What do I care if the first string get's hurt.  It gives the new guy a chance and would definatly make the game more interesting.  Not saying that it isn't .

There are only two seasons.  When football is on and when it isn't .

[vorticon]

i figure any party whos sole purpose is to "beat the" X party really shouldent be taken seriously...and kerry is a tard...so is bush...luckily im a underage canadian so i dont have to worry... not that canada is in a better position (of course at least we have a choice other than conservative and liberals...)