US Constitution - 2nd Amendment

[hawker238]

I'm seventeen if it matters that much.

You can assist the police by getting down a description of the theif, liscense plates, etc.  They will deal to him the justice warranted by his crime.  I do not consider theft, petty or otherwise, a capital offence.

Is it offense or offence?  I think I spelled it both ways.

[GtoRA2]

Hawker,
 In cali, at least in the big cities, Police will not even come out to you home if you had a burgerler and he is gone. He could have stolen everything you own and mostly they will not come.

They may if they are looking into catching a specific group.

Police are their for cleanup most and not crime prevention.

[Kanth]

Originally posted by lazs2
I believe I might kanth...  In my opinion... the constitution should be interpreted in the context and language that it was written in.   Case in point...  as someone else pointed out "well regulated" meant, at the time of the writing, that something well regulated be  functioning properly.

Exactly, and I'd like it to remain that way, but I don't trust that it will.

I still don't understand the part about the "peoples will" .... The constitution is there specificly to subvert the peoples will if needed... meaning, that rights are not a pervue of the peoples will..  We can't vote to send all black citizens back to africa for instance.  

Right but at this point you are tying the two thoughts together, the second remark wasn't tied to the first, it was two thoughts in one post.

soo... what difference does technolodgy make in the constitution?

none that I can see.

 I do agree with you tho that the government will try to find loopholes whenever they can... that is why we have a constitution. and why we need to keep it as it was written.
lazs

The second thought, the technology part, is that I'd like more info coming my way about what's on the table, what money will be spent how, what all is being included into new laws.. Without having to hunt and peck it all down..

   What's on my representative's plate and what are they deciding on it and how will it affect me. I would like to be more informed without having to spend all day doing research.

This doesn't have anything to do with the first thought about the government finding loopholes, it has to do with me not liking being uninformed but not having the time to do all the research to fix that problem.

And watching the news isn't even close to the kind of pure local factual information that I'd like to see.

[Stoned Gecko]

Originally posted by hawker238
I'm seventeen if it matters that much.

You can assist the police by getting down a description of the theif, liscense plates, etc.  They will deal to him the justice warranted by his crime.  I do not consider theft, petty or otherwise, a capital offence.

Is it offense or offence?  I think I spelled it both ways.

It's offense

That still does not change the fact that my property is gone and may never be recovered.

And I need to correct you. They MIGHT deal him the justice that SOMEBODY ELSE thinks is warranted. SOMEBODY ELSE will dictate how much my property was worth to me. Big difference.

It sounds like you've been raised to have faith in the law and the police, and that's OK.

I've been mugged three times, my mom has been through it once, so has my sister, and in all the cases we lost some items. The police never found the bad guys. None of our items were ever returned. That was in San Francisco between 93 and 97.

So as a result I don't have faith in the police unless they are parked right next to me. I believe that the best defense for anybody is oneself (is this even a word ).

[Steve]

Ya gotta read between the lines.

Uhhh, Gecko is right, this is law.. There is nothing between the lines...the laws are very specific. Shoot me at noon as I ride off on your kid's bike after stealing it from your front yard..... go to jail for shooting me. Done.

[hawker238]

Originally posted by Stoned Gecko

I've been mugged three times, my mom has been through it once, so has my sister, and in all the cases we lost some items. The police never found the bad guys. None of our items were ever returned. That was in San Francisco between 93 and 97.

So as a result I don't have faith in the police unless they are parked right next to me. I believe that the best defense for anybody is oneself (is this even a word ).

I guess I can understand where you're coming from.  It still doesn't seem right, but a lot of things don't in the world.

Just aim for the knees or something.  Have a heart.

I'm going to bed.  Its now midnight and I've had a long day.

[bullett308]

LOL If you dont kill them they will sue you.

And Steve we must have not read the same law as printed before us.
Trust me I live In Texas aand I have My CHP Concelled handgun permit so I had to learn a few things before they turned me lose with a loaded gun on the streets LOL.

Say A dude come up to me and pushes me off my bike and starts ridings away.

In Texas If I feel there is no other way of stoping him for taking my bike I may shoot him.


Now not to say his family may sue me in civil courte but as far as criminal not a chance.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Steve
Uhhh, Gecko is right, this is law.. There is nothing between the lines...the laws are very specific. Shoot me at noon as I ride off on your kid's bike after stealing it from your front yard..... go to jail for shooting me. Done.

It's really a common sense law. If you just broke into my car at night and are running off with my radio and refuse to stop can I legally shoot you? Yes. Will I? No. I'm not going to shoot anyone unless someone's life is in immediate danger.

Of course even if you shoot someone within the law, civil action can still be taken against you.

[bullett308]

Now would I kill someone over a silly bicycle? I think not LOL.
I dont care how big a scum bag he might be.
I dont want his death hangin over me for the rest of my life over a bike.

I think I would have a tough time explaining that one to God.


Now If he assaulted me in the process and I felt like he was really gonna hurt me I would defend myself with whatever tools I might have including a gun.

Like Sam Colt said God made all men
I just made em equal:D

That brings up another point.
Say your just a normale guy .

5' 8" 165lbs with no fighting exp.
You and your girlfriend are walking along and this really big dude decides he wants your girlfriends booty.

Now what are you gonna do about it?
Get you head caved in more that likely.

But If you had a pistol you just became
able to defend yourself agaist a much tougher guy.

I know a silly example but really without the fear of jail wich most crooks laugh at these days what Is to stop someone from whoopin your butt?

But If all citizens (law abiding) had a pistol most If not all crooks might think twice about confronting you !

[hyena426]

Just aim for the knees or something. Have a heart.

hawker im sure alot of people dont intend on killing the theif,i my self would never go for a killing blow,,unless i new it was me or him,,it is not just the fact your being robbed,,but if you catch them in the act,,,there is the chance he will attack or try to kill you so he dont get caught,,that is were a gun will make a diffrence,,you can tell him to leave,,or face the worst,,i would give them a choice before i had to pull the trigger<~~just because we own guns,,doesnt mean we are hartless

[Stoned Gecko]

Originally posted by hawker238
I guess I can understand where you're coming from.  It still doesn't seem right, but a lot of things don't in the world.

Just aim for the knees or something.  Have a heart.

I'm going to bed.  Its now midnight and I've had a long day.

Oh, I would aim for his knees. Right before I put a few in his chest. Wouldn't want him to have a painless death now, woud I?

I was raised to value human life over property. But when I got mugged for my bike, "it's just a bike, there is always another" quickly became "that's my bike that took me six month of McDonald's pay to save up for". Some perspectives kinda change when crap happens.

Still, I wouldn't shoot to kill. Actually I'd prefer not to shoot at all. If the threat of deadly force is enough to end it, so be it. I don't carry. I plan on carrying in the future. Better be prepared for the day that I hope doesn't arrive, than to have that day catch me by surprise.

Sleep tight ... see ya back on tomorrow

[Steve]

Trust me I live In Texas

Well go ahead, shoot someone then.  Maybe you can go to a Texas prison so you will still live there.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Tarmac
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I'll assume you're asking for examples.  Chechnya.  Vietnam (US).  Vietnam (France).  Chinese Cultural Revolution.  Russian Revolution.  I hope Iraq isn't shaping up to be one.

And "lost" isn't the right word... the advantage of guerilla warfare is that it doesn't have to "win," because as long as it is fighting the organized army is losing its soldiers and its will to fight.  Guerilla armies don't have to "win," they just have to outlast their occupiers.  

Are you just being difficult, or can you really not see that the possability exists?

You forgot one, the US Revolution in where this very thing happened. The "winners" are the ones who wanted to keep thier arms in case they needed to change the goverment again.

[lazs2]

hawker.. some people in this country are of a weaker gender or old or infirm or.... just weaker than 1-12 or so criminals all at once.

Firearms equalize this inequity of strength... this is not conjecture this is fact born out by FBI stats that say that crimes are prevented by firearms at between 1.5 and 3 million times a year.  this is very good odds... perhaps you should read John Lotts book "more guns less crime"  and get back to us when you are armed with some facts.   other than "if you take away the guns then people won't shoot each other"   which is maybe logical but a meaningless observation.  

If you take away guns more people will be killed and victimized.


kanth...  boy did I missunderstand you... It appears that we agree.. even to the point of the news media..  I watch no news and read no newspapers.   I do research when I can..  staying current is not hard as the headlines still attack us from every source.    I too wish that we were more involved in the lawmaking process so long as rights were not legeslated.  

When I end womens suffarage I will let you have sandmans vote.

lazs

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lazs2
When I end womens suffarage I will let you have sandmans vote.

lazs

LOL

You come up with some real zingers lazs