Author Topic: Selective service boards and the Draft. (Read 1565 times)

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #45 on:** April 09, 2004, 09:54:14 AM »

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Originally posted by bullett308
Well no offense to my bros In the 11B infantry.

But numbers is what they want and need .
Anyone can be trained.

And as far as the fellas that are in now and dont want to be there ?
Welll why did they join?

The Marine/Army comment was more of an inter-service jab. But once you get to boot it'll take you all of about a week to understand exactly what I mean - regardless of branch.

Charon · « **Reply #46 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:57:29 AM »

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If the draft was implemented, what roles would the drafties be assigned? I mean I'm real good with computers, and technology of sorts. Something that did interest me would be flying the drones, or is that only reserved for officers?

LOL BlckMgk, how good are you at field stripping an M-16?

Your desires and qualifications go out the window if there is a pressing need for trigger pullers or potato peelers.

I somewhat (in a knee jerk manner) would support a draft just because so many people in the middle and certainly upper classes concentrate on taking as much as they can of what America has to offer, with no though of giving anything serious back in return. It would also make war a bit more personal and a bit less of an abstraction than it seems to be today.

If not mandatory military service, then a mixture of military and community service options. Perhaps reform the tax laws to cut down on loopholes etc. but give a significant lifetime tax break for those who actually made the extra effort to contribute to society beyond the minumum requirements. Just my not well thought out and likely full of holes opinion.

Charon

OIO · « **Reply #47 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:21:09 PM »

actually, they should just make a law where those who are honorably discharged have their own tax number. (aka in your W-4 now you put 0 for no dependents, etc etc.. add a new number there for honorably discharged.. you get the idea). Those with that number dont get charged any taxes at all and get a full refund every year.

and those who dont serve or are dishonorable discharged dont get any tax return at all. oh, and raise their taxes.

a nice, capitalist solution

mjolnir · « **Reply #48 on:** April 09, 2004, 07:34:53 PM »

Well, this might stir up a few negative responses, but I'll say it anyway. Every single American male who filled out that little selectice service card they got for turning 18 has volunteered to serve in the military. They have all signed their name saying that they enjoy the American way of life, and are willing to come to the defense of it if the country needs them. Sadly, it seems most people pencil-whipped the form because it was mandatory. The option was there, upon reaching adulthood, to leave this country if you were unwilling to defend it. If there is a draft and they call on you, it's because you volunteered. Personally, I don't understand why they don't make females fill out a selective service card too. They get the same quality of life here, and they are plenty capable of defending it.

bullett308 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 09, 2004, 08:22:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
The Marine/Army comment was more of an inter-service jab. But once you get to boot it'll take you all of about a week to understand exactly what I mean - regardless of branch.

Chit 2 minutes after i stepped off the bus at reception station it was big eyes and brown shorts for me.

I mean to tell ya I just thought I was C ock of the walk till that drill sgt put his smoket bear hat brim into my forhead and gave me that go to hell stare.

Yup at that moment I learned all about humility.

Westy · « **Reply #50 on:** April 09, 2004, 08:51:18 PM »

" Every single American male who filled out that little selectice service card they got for turning 18 has volunteered ..."

Bullcrap and more bullcrap.

They filled out that card they are required to by Federal law. There is nothing voluntary about it in the least.

Being a citizen of this country does not require one to toss thier brain out the window and become a goose stepping lemming following questionble "order to arms" because people like Bush and you think they should.
The post war trials in Germany showed the world that every citizen has a moral obligation to do what is right. If someone is ordered or feels that they are being forced to participate in an immoral and highly questionable war, such as Vietnam and now Iraq, then it is that persons duty as a human being and an American to do what is they feel is the right thing to do. If that is fail to show up, burn thier draft card or flee to Canada then that's what they should do.

I have no doubt that people would have not a problem with a draft had the USSR just sunk the Atlantic fleet in Norfolk, VA. But peopel are very worried about the draft because they don't want to go to Iraq. Not from fear of fighting or dying but because they know the Iraq war is a sham, that Iraq did not attack the US and that they would not be defending the US from invasion but instead they would be the attacker, the invader, the occupier.

bullett308 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 09, 2004, 08:55:59 PM »

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya:)

Westy · « **Reply #52 on:** April 09, 2004, 09:00:49 PM »

I'm not going anywhere. The draft comes they'll grab you before me.

Don't forget to duck.

bullett308 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 09, 2004, 09:04:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
I'm not going anywhere. The draft comes they'll grab you before me.

Don't forget to duck.

Sorry sonny I served my country already
US ARMY SGt E-5 Ret 1976-80

But If they would take my 46 year old asre I would go again in a heart beat.

I owe that much to the men who died before me in ww1 ww2 viet man and countless other wars
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Cobra412 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 09, 2004, 09:22:20 PM »

Many people who have served in the Air Force and have gotten out are still under obligation to return in the event they get recalled. More often than not when a major conflict goes off we are all "stop loss" and don't have the option to get out until the stop loss is lifted. The rumour use to be that if you only spent 4 years in your were able to be brought in for 4 more years if needed by the military in a major war. Not sure how true that is because I have yet to find it anywhere.

In the long run it is up to the person to join when and if they are needed by their country. I don't see anything but a major war that would cause folks to start piling up at the recruiting offices and start the whole draft thing again. I'm sure many Americans and their pride for their country would prevail and you'd see alot of volunteers.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 09, 2004, 10:14:46 PM »

Ah, my bad, sorry for not calling a Big whomping BULL**** on this post before. I didn't bother to read some of the crap that was written.

The Selective Service board has started to prepare to be in a time of a draft ****OF THEIR OWN ACCORD!!!!****

Before all you bush hating pansies say any more **** about bush doing this, notice the last 4 words I said in the paragraph above.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 09, 2004, 11:05:59 PM »

lasersailor184
I started this thread, I am neither a lefty or a Bush hater.

I am not sure I understand your post, can you elaberate and or give a link? What do you mean they are filling themselves on their own accord? Did the defense department not start sending out requests to get the boards filled again?

Gyro/T69 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 09, 2004, 11:35:02 PM »

Question? What major wars has America fought without a draft?

None that I know of.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 09, 2004, 11:37:45 PM »

Good point, but is Iraq a major war? Is the war on Terror a major war?

Will the people of the country stand for the draft? Look what the draft did to us in the 60s, I think this would be a huge mistake for America.

mjolnir · « **Reply #59 on:** April 09, 2004, 11:42:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy

They filled out that card they are required to by Federal law. There is nothing voluntary about it in the least.

Read what I said again Westy. Some countries have compulsory service. The US madates that all males, upon reaching legal adulthood, register with the selective service so that they might be called to serve if the need arises. Since most people never get called on, it's not such a bad system. Really, it's a small price to pay to enjoy your way of life. I just don't understand why people get so uptight about the thought that maybe they'll have to make good on it. If they really have a problem fighting for their country (mind you I'm talking last ditch effort), let them move to Canada before we ask for their help. They obviously don't care for the US that much anyway.

The card is voluntary. You can choose not to fill it out, all you have to do is move somewhere else. If you fill it out and stay here, I don't feel sorry if they call your name someday.