Author Topic: A question about the war on Iraq (Read 353 times)

BlckMgk · « **on:** April 13, 2004, 11:02:29 AM »

Could it be seen that the reason we went into Iraq was to gain a military foothold in a very unstable area other than Turkey?

By this I mean, now that we have our military over there do you suppose the "extremist" would rather attack the military there since we're in their "Homeland" or would you say they'd still conduct their terror back here in the states? Use Iraq as bait to flush the extremist out, and make them confront your strongest force on their territory?

My thoughts are, now by having Iraq we have access to some pretty tough areas, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.. without having to ask for permission from Turkey or Kuwait, or Suadi Arabi to move, if need be.

We may not have found WMD but hell, now we've got our foot in their bellybutton lets see them try something now.

edited: for westys anal self

SunTracker · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:06:00 AM »

Thats some good logic, I like it. But I think the U.S. really thought there were WMDs in Iraq.

The war on terror will not be over until (a) Every terrorist is dead, or (b) terroristic countries are modernized enough that people have more fun activities to do instead of killing.

Westy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:16:08 AM »

Get a globe.

Look for Afghanistan.

Look for Iraq.

Now get a newspaper or surf the web and

Read the 2001-2002 news about Al Queda.

Look for reports on where the terrorist trainig camps were.

Which country was closer to the terrorists?

a) Iraq
b) Afghanistan

Which country does the US have a 1/10th of the combat manpower in compared to the troop strength they have in the other?

a)Iraq
b)Afghanistan

Which country did the US go into that the US had world support?
a) Iraq
b) Afghanistan

Which country did the US go into that we had hardly any world support for?

a) Iraq
b) Afghanistan

Which country has enourmous quantities of oil
a) Iraq
b) Afghanistan

Now.

Go reread your post

BlckMgk · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:18:23 AM »

haha alright I meant Afghanistan other than Pakistan

muckmaw · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:22:08 AM »

There's no question our presence in Iraq has put other rogue nations in the region on notice.

Note the changes in Iran and Libya as examples.

Don't think for a minute, Syria is not worried about having US bases next door for the next X number of years.

BlckMgk · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:26:18 AM »

LOL edited that one question eh Westy?

"Which country did the US go into that the US had world support?
a) Iraq
b) Afghanistan "

To funny man..

Westy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:36:25 AM »

Yes. I had "go into that the US" in there back to back. I did not change anything else.

RE: Libya and Iran.

Libya has been quiet for years. IMO Khadafi's recent moves were for more business. Smart moves assuredly but aimed at getting sanctions removed and to court Western business and capitol.

Iran? What's changed with Iran? Many of the reports I read show that Iran is clearly a mastermind and THE moving force behind Sadr and the recent uprisings. Syria too to a somewhat lesser extent. Iran is where Sadr was living till last year and with Iran's help (manpower, arms and money) he was brought back into Iraq.
Iran wants the time and lack of interference to finish thier making thier bomb and IMO they will eagerly exchange a "quiet, complacent Iraq" to the US/UK for it.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:44:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Westy

Libya has been quiet for years. IMO Khadafi's recent moves were for more business. Smart moves assuredly but aimed at getting sanctions removed and to court Western business and capitol.

Yup, nothing at all to do with WMDs and the resulting invasion of Iraq. Nothing at all.

Westy · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:56:16 AM »

Riiiiight.

Go to google news, put in Iraq and read. Look at the contracts they are now making and the huge flow of money via business, construction and tourism now open to them.

Instead of thinking of how Libya has bowed before Bush and Blair I'd think about what Libya will do with that money. Why pursue crude WMD destruction now when you can trade in the crap on hand for a new reputation and get rich at the same time. Money that can be used for....

what?

I hate constantly painting the picture or needing to spell things out.

all IMO of course...

You may notice when using Googlenews that the Libyan gov't has publicly supported the Iraqi "martyrs" over the past week too. Khadafi and his government have not changed thier spots. They are playing a chess game and I'm pretty sure Bush hasn't a clue what chess is.

Sixpence · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:12:38 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
But I think the U.S. really thought there were WMDs in Iraq.

I question this for one reason. As I watched our columns of brave men head towards Baghdad, I was screaming at the TV. "what are you doing! you are moving carelessly setting them up for ambush! they will be hit by chemical weapons from all sides!, why are you doing this!?" I seriously thought they were going to wait til the columns were well into Iraq and ambush them with chemical weapons. They would be wiped out.

Now, after time, I see that they may not have been expecting the attack from chemical weapons that they led us to believe. That is why not finding these weapons bothers me, at least if they had found them, I could convince myself the threat was real. Maybe it was, but here in America, we usually do not follow blindly, we need proof. Plz understand, at the time, long before there were thoughts of revenge, we were scared. Scared of what would happen next, dirty bomb, biological attack, a nuclear weapon being set off in one of our cities. We(my family) started buying bottled water for fear of the water supply being poisoned. The thought of "sleeper cells" in our cities was quite real. For some outside of America who view us a war mongers, they do not understand the fear we had that day. I hope that those fears were not taken advantage of to wage war.

We(well, I will speak for myself) agreed to war because we feared another 9/11, not to gain a foothold on the middle east. To get saddam, get OBL, then get home.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:18:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
Riiiiight.

Go to google news, put in Iraq and read. Look at the contracts they are now making and the huge flow of money via business, construction and tourism now open to them.

Instead of thinking of how Libya has bowed before Bush and Blair I'd think about what Libya will do with that money. Why pursue crude WMD destruction now when you can trade in the crap on hand for a new reputation and get rich at the same time. Money that can be used for....

what?

I hate constantly painting the picture or needing to spell things out.

all IMO of course...

You may notice when using Googlenews that the Libyan gov't has publicly supported the Iraqi "martyrs" over the past week too. Khadafi and his government have not changed thier spots. They are playing a chess game and I'm pretty sure Bush hasn't a clue what chess is.

So in conclusion - yer smert, we're dumb, Bush is bad at chess, and Khadafi is playing the US, UK, and Iraqi against eachother without ANYONE's knowledge but yours.

Thats 'wicked retaaaaahhded.'

Westy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:22:32 PM »

That's it? Nothing of your own to substantiate your supposition or ideas? Simply a headlong rush to the "I got nothing else so I'll say something stupid back" personal attack. Like an ALT F4'ing gooney driver. Lame

BlckMgk · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:28:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence

We(well, I will speak for myself) agreed to war because we feared another 9/11, not to gain a foothold on the middle east. To get saddam, get OBL, then get home.

Well thats what I'm asking.

Is it now a strategic plan to prevent another 9/11 ? I mean Hell I wouldn't rob someones home if I knew they had the keys to my front door and know where they could find me, and if I did rob they'd know it was me.

Kind of like that comment made about those teachers carrying concealed weapons, would columbine happen if students knew that 30% of their teachers were carrying firearms and would be able to stop you, if you used a firearm.

-BM

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:29:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
That's it? Nothing of your own to substantiate your supposition or ideas? Simply a headlong rush to the "I got nothing else so I'll say something stupid back" personal attack. Like an ALT F4'ing gooney driver. Lame

Nah, not quite. I know better than to argue with a Massachusettes Liberal who is obviously suffering from a case of the "Im better that everyone else is."

Terrible disease. Kennedy died from it, you know.

BlckMgk · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:32:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Nah, not quite. I know better than to argue with a Massachusettes Liberal who is obviously suffering from a case of the "Im better that everyone else is."

Terrible disease. Kennedy died from it, you know.

Hey come on now, I know you weren't reffering to me, but sheesh take the sqwabel else where.

Because the man with the bigger noodle will piss further.