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OIO · « **Reply #30 on:** April 12, 2004, 11:01:39 PM »

its coming.... the new generation....

Hortlund · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:44:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
That is just plain wrong Hortlund. An RPG-7 fired onto the engine deck of an Abrams, can and will destroy the Abrams. The crew will survive, but the engine compartment and fuel WILL burn, ultimately consuming the vehicle if the fire surpression system is punctured which is almost guarateed in that scenario.

An RPG fired at the engine deck taking out the engine is a mobility kill.

"Puncturing the fire surpression system" indeed...it would be interesting to know what kind of mental picture you have of the M1 fire surpression system...one big hose laying on the floor in the tank perhaps? And if its punctured, then there will be water on the floor?

Maverick · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:42:24 AM »

Hortlund,

The fire suppression system is pressurized HALON, not water. You do not want to put water on either an electrical or petroleum fire.

The fuel system is also in the rear of the vehicle. Placing it there, away from the crew compartment is part of the survivability design of the tank.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:44:59 AM »

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Originally posted by OIO
its coming.... the new generation....

VOLTRON!!!

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:45:56 AM »

Lemme get this straight. Unbuttoned Abrams crew wounded by lucky RPG shot = Total dominance of WP weapons over NATO weapons?
LOL @ Westy et al.

MJHerman · « **Reply #35 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:53:40 AM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Lemme get this straight. Unbuttoned Abrams crew wounded by lucky RPG shot = Total dominance of WP weapons over NATO weapons?
LOL @ Westy et al.

In the clip I saw the crew was not unbuttoned. However, they may have been unbutoned, got hit, buttoned up to get out of Dodge, then the camera crew arrived to show them unbuttoning.

The driver was climbing out wounded in the clip I saw, and the right rear of the turret was burning, suggesting to me a hit on the right rear. If that's the case, even if unbuttoned when hit, how was the driver hit sitting in front?

(Unless turret was traversed to the left when hit)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:07:16 PM »

I didn't see the whole clip, but in the article I read, they said it was the loader, gunner, and t/c who were wounded, not the driver.

MJHerman · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:10:44 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I didn't see the whole clip, but in the article I read, they said it was the loader, gunner, and t/c who were wounded, not the driver.

Could be. Loader and t/c I could understand getting wounded when being unbuttoned. But not the gunner (I don't recall the M1 having a seperate hatch for the gunner).

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:19:20 PM »

I think you're right, gunner could only get hit if there was some penetration or fragments coming in through one of the hatches.

Maverick · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:20:10 PM »

Gunner does not have a seperate hatch. There are only 3 hatches topside. Driver, TC and loader. The gunner uses the TC hatch since he sits infront of and below the TC.

Funked, since fragments tend to zing around the inside until stopped by something, all members of the turret crew are in danger of being hit.