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« on: April 14, 2004, 02:31:04 AM »
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8424619.htm?1c

   Posted on Wed, Apr. 14, 2004

Tax cuts Bush sought saved him $31,000

WASHINGTON — President Bush and his wife, Laura Bush, saved nearly $31,000 as a result of the tax cuts he championed last year, according to documents the White House released Tuesday.

Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife lost nearly all of their Bush tax cuts to the alternative minimum tax.

Bush made only part of his 2003 tax return available, breaking with a tradition of full disclosure begun by President Jimmy Carter.

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the presumptive Democratic nominee, made available only his own tax return, which he files separately from his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.

The Bushes reported adjusted gross income of $822,126, on which they paid a tax of $227,490, or 27.7 percent.

Without the tax cuts, they would have paid $30,858 more, two analyses showed.

The White House withheld Schedules A, D and E.

The Cheneys reported $1,267,915 of adjusted gross income and paid U.S. income tax of $241,392, or 19 percent.

They also paid $6,977 to foreign governments because of investment income abroad.

Under the regular income tax, the Cheneys would have paid $194,194, a $36,623 reduction because of the Bush tax cuts. But the Cheneys were forced into the alternative minimum tax system.

Kerry reported an adjusted gross income of $395,338. He paid a tax of $90,575, or 22.9 percent, compared with an average of 26.1 percent for his income group in 2001.
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What a prince! :)

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2004, 03:03:02 AM »
Ya Curly, having to pay $227,000.00 in taxes ins't nearly enough for a family.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2004, 03:17:27 AM »
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Ya Curly, having to pay $227,000.00 in taxes ins't nearly enough for a family.


Nope.   Prior to the Bush tax cut, that would have been $258,000.00.   Let's see, Steve.  I'll bet me and you probably saved a hundred or two.  What a deal. :)

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2004, 03:30:11 AM »
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Nope.   Prior to the Bush tax cut, that would have been $258,000.00.   Let's see, Steve.  I'll bet me and you probably saved a hundred or two.  What a deal. :)

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Your math education did include the realtive values of percentages, right?  Did you go to school? Did you sleep through math?

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2004, 03:34:27 AM »
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Your math education did include the realtive values of percentages, right?  Did you go to school? Did you sleep through math?


Yah, my math education is ok, probably superior to yours. :)  However, it's remotely possible that old Georgie and me are in different tax brackets.  Have someone wipe your nose and maybe you'll learn about them in a few years, Grun.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2004, 03:36:21 AM »
Grun, I believe he means "the more you earn, the more this system benefits you"

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2004, 03:43:10 AM »
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Nope. Prior to the Bush tax cut, that would have been $258,000.00. Let's see, Steve. I'll bet me and you probably saved a hundred or two. What a deal.


I suppose you think you should get 31000 back too?
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2004, 03:48:33 AM »
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I suppose you think you should get 31000 back too?


Good lord no.  I simply believe the tax cut behaved as advertised.  I think it's obscene when we are spending approximately $1billion/day in Iraq, our national economy is foundering (once again), our national debt is accelerating and old Georgie is out there handing out tax cuts.  And of course, he got his $31k share of the loot as well.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2004, 03:55:31 AM »
Well, perhaps you should consider economics.  It is a fact that every boom in the economy over the last 50 years was preceeded by a tax cut.  Maybe you prefer to live in a recession, but I'll pass.


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Aww Baloney.  We just had the biggest quarter of economic growth in the last 20 years.  Take your democratic blinders off.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2004, 04:05:25 AM »
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Grun, I believe he means "the more you earn, the more this system benefits you"

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If people pay more money in taxes and they get a % tax break the actual cash value of that bear will be larger because they are paying more cash in taxes anyway.


Basically it seems curly is sayoing that Bush getting $31,000 in tax breaks is unfair because curly earns lessx in tax breaks. Which is totally stupid because curly pyas way less taxes than bush in the first place.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2004, 04:08:19 AM »
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Good lord no.  I simply believe the tax cut behaved as advertised.  I think it's obscene when we are spending approximately $1billion/day in Iraq, our national economy is foundering (once again), our national debt is accelerating and old Georgie is out there handing out tax cuts.  And of course, he got his $31k share of the loot as well.

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It does behave as advertized. The economy is growing strongly, bush halted the recession dead in its tracks, and people are getting the tax breaks which has had a clear impact on consumer behavior in terms of buying more goods which drives the economy.  

Jobs are a problem but thats because the economy is enduring a shift where old innecfient jobs like manufacturing are being pushed out.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2004, 04:08:25 AM »
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Well, perhaps you should consider economics.  It is a fact that every boom in the economy over the last 50 years was preceeded by a tax cut.  Maybe you prefer to live in a recession, but I'll pass.

Aww Baloney.  We just had the biggest quarter of economic growth in the last 20 years.  Take your democratic blinders off.


I see.  You're one of the enlightened fellows who believes the VPs remark that Regan proved the budget deficit doesn't matter.  Therefore, the country is free to ignore that input is considerably less than output.

Yep, that makes a lot of sense.  For each one dollar of tax revenue, spend x dollars by the government, where x is considerably larger than 1.

No one is dumb enough to believe that is a responsible financial policy.  

Concerning economic growth, what is your metric?  Here's a simple one.  Take the value of your stock market investments around year 1999 and compare them to todays values.  I don't know about you, but someone swiped around 30% of mine. :)

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2004, 04:10:50 AM »
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don't know about you, but someone swiped around 30% of mine.


Bummer.. I was more fortunate.

The unemployment rate for the Bush Admin is no higher than the previous 4 admins... as I've stated already about the economy...

I don't know what more you want... perhaps you should send your tax cut back since you don't think it was a good idea.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2004, 04:13:39 AM »
My COD I just found out that Bill gates got a bigger tax breakl than me!!!!!!  He saved a cool $500,000 in Bush tax cuts this year....


Why didnt I????   When do I get my $500,000 dollar rebate chaeck???


WAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAA!  WAAAAAAA!  Bush is teh liar!!!!   WAAAAAA! WAAAAAA!!!


Man you comminsts are funny, thanks for the humor curly...

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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2004, 04:19:08 AM »
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Bummer.. I was more fortunate.

The unemployment rate for the Bush Admin is no higher than the previous 4 admins... as I've stated already about the economy...
 


I want fiscally responsible politicians.  That's all.  Instead, I get snowwhite and the 7 dwarfs (Condy is Snowwhite, georgie is dopey, cheney is grumpy ... you get the idea.)

Is it too much to understand that when you collect X dollars in taxes, that doesn't mean you can spend > X dollars?

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