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Offline Capt. Pork

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Bin Laden offers truce to European States
« on: April 15, 2004, 01:13:24 AM »
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So, basically, he's saying 'I've accepted the quick BJ and have agreed to call it even..."

The tape said the March 11 train bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people were payment for Spain's actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and "Palestine."

"What happened on September 11 and March 11 are your goods returned to you so that you know security is a necessity for all," the voice on the tape said.


What a generous man he is, pointing out people's faults for their own good.

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Re: Bin Laden offers truce to European States
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2004, 01:26:56 AM »
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
MSNBC article

So, basically, he's saying 'I've accepted the quick BJ and have agreed to call it even..."

The tape said the March 11 train bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people were payment for Spain's actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and "Palestine."

"What happened on September 11 and March 11 are your goods returned to you so that you know security is a necessity for all," the voice on the tape said.


What a generous man he is, pointing out people's faults for their own good.


What a great freedom fighter!! I should put up a poster of this hero next to the one I have of Che!!!

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2004, 01:45:39 AM »
Looks like you boys might be on your own then...

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2004, 01:55:43 AM »
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Looks like you boys might be on your own then...


Divide and conquer.  

Didn’t Stalin accept a truce of sorts with Adolph?  Worked out okay for Josef... only 30 million or so dead...
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2004, 01:57:01 AM »
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Looks like you boys might be on your own then...


So eager for the terrorists to win? Did you dance and cheer on 911?

But a truce with Bin Laden is good for Europe, it will bring them "peace in our time."



WTG Europe, you guys are so smart!!

BTW accepting a truce with Al Qaeda means that you accept the 911 and 311 terror attacks, and would be dropping out of the war on terror alltogether... That would make you weak cowards of the higest order, and this time you couldnt hide your cowardice behind some false claim of morality like you did in your opposition to the Iraq war...
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2004, 02:20:06 AM »
Where have you read that Europe accepted a truce?? You should get out of Disneyland from time to time to have a small cup of RL.


And if OBL does matter so much to you, what the f%$çk are you fooling around in Iraq?
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2004, 02:31:51 AM »
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Where have you read that Europe accepted a truce?? You should get out of Disneyland from time to time to have a small cup of RL.
 


I'm responding to schedes post, which mentions the pissobilty. I'm simply explaing what it would mean...

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2004, 02:47:38 AM »
actually I think you boys are pretty much on yr own whatever Bin Laden says to the Euro's - Brits don't have the military muscle to help and none of the other European states with any significant military capability are prepared to - you may have some small political support in the form of Poland, Hungary etc sending a 1000 men but you need a lot more to have any real effect.

But you knew all this when you started the war so there's no use complaining now that no-one wants to come to your party......

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2004, 02:49:06 AM »
17 out of 26 NATO countries have troops in Iraq...

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2004, 02:50:15 AM »
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actually I think you boys are pretty much on yr own whatever Bin Laden says to the Euro's - Brits don't have the military muscle to help and none of the other European states with any significant military capability are prepared to - you may have some small political support in the form of Poland, Hungary etc sending a 1000 men but you need a lot more to have any real effect.

But you knew all this when you started the war so there's no use complaining now that no-one wants to come to your party......


Not if kerrie wins the election, then french and german NATO  troops will flood into iraq - he promises that.. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2004, 02:55:06 AM »
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But you knew all this when you started the war so there's no use complaining now that no-one wants to come to your party......


Actually .... the war pretty much started when Saddam invaded Kuwait. There was a long cease fire during which time Saddam tried to play some mind games and fugged himself.

Your saying that America has essentially been on it's own all along must sit well with British troops that've been there.

But ... ummm ... you don't see it that way, do you? :D
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2004, 02:56:10 AM »
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17 out of 26 NATO countries have troops in Iraq...


Apart from Britain's 8,000 troops could you give details of the actual numbers of boots and bayonets on the ground that those 26 nations have provided?  If it averages out at a 1000 men per state - ie 26,000 troops I will be very surprised.

When you take into account that the numbers of front line troops to remfs is like 10 or 15 to 1 then it's easy to see why there is a manpower shortage in Iraq.

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2004, 03:07:14 AM »
We have 150 combat engeneers there....not as part of the coalition but to deliver aid and repair stuff that gw1, gw2, saddam and iran has destroyed. Things like watersupply, schools, houses, hospitals, roads. etc..etc... They are also clearing up tons of explosives and minefields of all kinds. Doing a great job and the locals apreciate and help them. They use as many local contractors as possible and also hires some other civilians for odd jobs and that seems to work. Too bad they are prolly going home in june.
If i undersand correctly we are gonna send more troops to afghanistan and we are readying a contingent for possible deployment to Sudan if the UN asks.

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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2004, 03:14:54 AM »
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Actually .... the war pretty much started when Saddam invaded Kuwait. There was a long cease fire during which time Saddam tried to play some mind games and fugged himself.

Your saying that America has essentially been on it's own all along must sit well British troops that've been there.

But ... ummm ... you don't see it that way, do you? :D


The one has nothing to with the other - Britain's armed services are hugely respected, even loved by the British public - they are also covering a tiny area of Iraq - ie Basra and it's surrounds - have you seen any British forces involved in the fighting around the capital - nope you haven't and you won't either.

The fighting  of this month is being done by the US army, Hungary simply pulled it's troops out when they they were confronted as did Poland.

Since the insurgents are targeting the Achilles heel  of the coalition - ie their supply lines and civilian contractors it means that even more troops are going to be need to make those lines of communication secure.

Bush has promised the theatre commander 3 brigades, 3 full divisions wouldn't be enough - but that's just my opinion.

All you have to do is look at the casualty lists to see who is doing the fighting.

Btw your argument that the Iraq war is simply part of the Gulf War is erroneous - Gulf war had international support in terms of troops and perhaps more importantly money and most importantly UN support.


The Iraq war has no UN support, US is paying all the bills to the tune of $1 billion a week and from what I can see is currently taking all the casualties - I'll dig out the casualty lists if you like am sure they're posted somewhere on the net.

However it's easy to point out mistakes -I have no idea how to fix the problem - but hey I'm in good company, neither do Bush, Rice, Cheney or Rumsfeldt.

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2004, 03:18:34 AM »
It seems useful to remind from time to time that...

- OBL is Al-Quaeda
- all this waste of time, money and mostly men in Iraq doesn't hurt Al-Quaeda, to the contrary it fills the agenda of the terrorists and opens a wide recruiting area to them...


Hence being against this useless Iraq war isn't supporting Al-Quaeda.

Europe was 100% behind the USA after 9/11 and supported in its majority the operations in Afghanistan.

I won't say that Iraq under SH was no threat at all, but it was a low priority one far behind Al-Quaeda and NK.

Now SH is gone, good riddance, but the country is far from stable and risks are high that it falls under a fundamentalist muslim tyranny.... and what will it really been achieved then?
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