Whoops! Busted!

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Cougar68
If you've already got some info that connects Iraq to supporting terrorists, what is wrong with going ahead and creating a battle plan so you're ready when the time comes?  Isn't that called "preparation"?

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Our war on terror begins with al Qaida, but it does not end there. . . . we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. . . President George W. Bush, Joint Session of Congress, September 20, 2001
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Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers -- a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers' families. In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 -- a bonus for the families of 'martyrs', to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel. . . . Fox News, March 26, 2002
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This general served Saddam Hussein for decades. Along with another Iraqi defector, Sabah Khodada (see below), the general tells of terrorists training in a Boeing 707 resting next to railroad tracks on the edge of Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. The existence of the plane has been confirmed by U.N. inspectors. The general describes the men who trained there, the camp's security, and his "gut feeling" that the camp was in some way tied to the Sept. 11 attacks. Iraqi Lt. General, PBS and New York Times Interview, November 6, 2001
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A captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992, he worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001. Sabah Kodada, Iraqi Army Captain, PBS and New York Times Interview, October 14, 2001
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An investigation by Frontline confirmed that Iraqi intelligence had trained at least forty Islamic terrorists between 1995 and 2000 in how to hijacking airliners using a Boeing-747 that was originally Kuwaiti property. Frontline, PBS, November 14, 2001
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Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens. . . . Congressional Resolution Authorizing Force Against Iraq, October 15, 2002
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Shortly before the Sept. 11 attacks, a group of al-Qaida fighters left Afghanistan and set up shop in Iraq as a backup base, according to a report in today‘s Los Angeles Times. Osama bin Laden‘s jihadists established such a base in town of Al Biyara and nearby mountain villages where Kurdish militants had begun imposing the strict Islamic rule much like Afghanistan‘s ousted Taliban regime, according to the Times report. While this base is further evidence of Saddam Hussein‘s recent support of al-Qaida, documented by many intelligence sources over the last 10 years, Iraq is attempting to maintain plausible deniability with regard to the bases – suggesting they are outside the control of the government in Baghdad. Intelmessages.com and Los Angeles Times, December 9, 2002
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The British also released a dossier on Iraq which claimed that at least two key Al-Qaeda lieutenants underwent training inIraq. The dossier also confirmed that Iraq was paying Al-Qaeda to use its Ansar forces based in northern Iraq to attack the Kurdish forces. Reuters, September 14, 2002
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Simply no basis for action

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Curly retired in December and his portfolio is taking a beating.

John Kerry will fix it!!!!  He will make 10 billion jobs!!!! Beacuse raising taxes, regulations, protectionism and support of failing obsolete industries has always been proven to create jobs and economic success!!!!

Kerry is a genious!!!

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
John Kerry will fix it!!!!  He will make 10 billion jobs!!!! Beacuse raising taxes, regulations, protectionism and support of failing obsolete industries has always been proven to create jobs and economic success!!!!

Kerry is a genious!!!

Are you saying another 90's-style Tech boom is in the future?(In India?!)

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Are you saying another 90's-style Tech boom is in the future?(In India?!)

Common Rip, stop the jokes!!!

The future of american economic proseperity is in manufacturing!!!  The 21st century will be the century of steel, machine tools, clothing, and anything else made in the vitally contested struggling midwest manufacturing states this election year!!! Not some sort of new fangled "corporate" innovation like computers or biotech...  

Mark my words, the America of the 21st century will be built by manufacturing!!!!

VOTE KERRY 2004!!!!!

"Bravely Bringing America into the 19th Century!!!"

[lazs2]

geeze curly.. yer starting to become the stereotype liberal socialist academic.    Ol woodard allmost disapeared off the face of the map when klinton was in eh?    

lazs

[MrLars]

The crux of this matter is that 700 million dollars was taken from the Afghan appropriation and diverted to Iraq war preparation.

Doing so without congressional authorization is going to be a point of contention in the comming weeks.

If this was taken out of the suplemental appropriation then it took monies from humanitarian and economic assistance funds for Afghanistan.

I'll wait until the story developes more before personaly forming an opinion.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by MrLars

Doing so without congressional authorization is going to be a point of contention in the comming weeks.

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Er, coming months...its Election year!  No worries, now that the 9/11 commission events have turned into a witch-hunting farce, the democrats will be sure to make mountains out of mole hills as they shift their tactics to other current events.

[Airhead]

Why is it anyone who opposes the Irag occupation is labeled a "liberal?" Can't we oppose going to war against tinhorn dictators and still be a moderate, or maybe even have some conservative viewpoints too?

Oh, GREAT cun n paste, Rip, another brilliant debate straight from the depths of your mind.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Airhead

Oh, GREAT cun n paste, Rip, another brilliant debate straight from the depths of your mind.

I know that facts bother you. Just put me on ignore and you won't have to see them.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Airhead
Why is it anyone who opposes the Irag occupation is labeled a "liberal?" Can't we oppose going to war against tinhorn dictators and still be a moderate, or maybe even have some conservative viewpoints too?

Basically conveniance.

Plus its an election year, and in truth probably most of the oppsition to the Iraq war is really a mask for people's dislike/concern regarding Bush. And since he is the conservative candidate this year, his general opponnts could be termed liberals in the context of tyhe election.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Er, coming months...its Election year!  No worries, now that the 9/11 commission events have turned into a witch-hunting farce, the democrats will be sure to make mountains out of mole hills as they shift their tactics to other current events.

Moving money to a special project w/o congressional approval is hardly a molehill Rip. It is serious business circumventing the constitution like this seems to be....VERY SERIOUS.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I know that facts bother you. Just put me on ignore and you won't have to see them.

You don't present facts, you present a recap of the Rush Limbaugh radio show- and now that you've surpassed the 25,ooo post mark (at a minimum) between the various Boards and shades accounts you have you post automatically, without thought- like Pavlov's dog.

By all means tho carry on. It might take another 25,000 posts but I'm sure that eventually you might change the political viewpoint of one poster.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Airhead
change the political viewpoint of one poster.

Thats an intriguing question, have any of our discussions ever changed somebody's political outlook?

[JBA]

Do I have to keep posting this untill you libs realize that Bush was working off of your information.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destrution and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

[NUKE]

To not have a war plan would be stupid.

The UN probably never had a war plan to make Iraq comply, I'll bet their plan was to author yet another resolution.