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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2004, 05:03:21 PM »
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I would sugest that it is you who changed more than the game urchin. Very simply you showing clasic burn out, your not having fun any more and searching for a resone why. And you come up with that it is the game that has changed from it's "Glory days".

You wish you could sit at your computer and get lost in the adventure of air combat. But now you sit down, the out side world is no longer totaly shut out,hours of playing no longer seem like ten minutes, little things frustrate you  like your plane getting killed by someone you have never heard of.

Funny thing I have been hearing this exact same thing with different games and  different resones since I started playing AW almost 15 years ago.

What in my view happens is that eventualy the challange ends with any game.Nothing much new for you to learn or do. It's at this time the searching for why your not having fun sets in. And the game is blamed for not giving you the fun you used to have.


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Amen to that HiTech.  Everyone's glory days are different.  There's something about that time where you are 'in the cockpit'.

Mine happened to occur during the first scenario where I lead a group in AW.  Rear cover in Spit IXs out of Tangmere covering RAF B25s and Jugs coming out of France.  Everything I'd read, all the time talking to old Spit drivers etc merged that day into the game and I was in that cockpit in my mind.  It was as close to real as I could ever get in my mind in a game.  The plane was around me, the radio was crackling in my ears even though we were still typing it then.  

Crossing the coast over the returning bombers, seeing a couple trailing smoke, and then rolling in on the 109s and 190s to clear them.  It was magic.

Never happened that way since and I've been searching for it ever since without much luck :)

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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2004, 05:08:55 PM »
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I would sugest that it is you who changed more than the game urchin. Very simply you showing clasic burn out, your not having fun any more and searching for a resone why. And you come up with that it is the game that has changed from it's "Glory days".

You wish you could sit at your computer and get lost in the adventure of air combat. But now you sit down, the out side world is no longer totaly shut out,hours of playing no longer seem like ten minutes, little things frustrate you  like your plane getting killed by someone you have never heard of.

Funny thing I have been hearing this exact same thing with different games and  different resones since I started playing AW almost 15 years ago.

What in my view happens is that eventualy the challange ends with any game.Nothing much new for you to learn or do. It's at this time the searching for why your not having fun sets in. And the game is blamed for not giving you the fun you used to have.


HiTech


Urchin came cruising over to a base that had just been taken on pizza at about 8k in a 190a5, four of us that were either higher or at co-alt saw him and set a trap that any noob should have been able to see from a mile away.

He engaged a La7, was forced to break and whilst rolling I zinged his left wing causing him to break again losing the little alt he had and all of his E. I got a good solution on him as he was climbing and blew him apart.

I was in a heavy P51d and he started to comment about the "excellent ganging" - in all honesty it was, we worked as a team, destroyed the threat and he never even got to fire - but not one to let arrogance go unchecked I commented on his excellent SA that led to his demise.

He told me that I was just a noob ( albeit with his scalp) and that I should suck his dick....

It's a team game boys and girls not medieval jousting.......and if you can't take lumps for your own stupidity then there is no need to indulge in sexual profanity.

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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2004, 05:31:52 PM »
I agree with urchin that the play of AH has changed for the worse.

Pizza?  WE usually get 12 squaddies a night for the other maps but with Pizza we get 2 or 3 only.  That should say it.

The good times in AH are mainly when our squad ties into another squad and battles for supremcy between bases.  It lasts until the hordes decend.  

I too am just holding on til AH2.  So are many of the Flying Zoo.  

I wish HTC would try a few more things.  Like make some bases axis only and some allied only.  Make some islands japanese some american.  That would take no additional programing, just a change.

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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2004, 05:57:15 PM »
Wow its funny saw 580 people on tueday night. With I bet there are more who could careless if urchin or anyother player leaves because others won't play his way. And i did see urchins little outburst today. Including at end lets go DA.


  I have just as much fun killing gv's as I do planes. If you have no fun but going high looking for single con to take on its you that has problem, I like going to base and fighting 2 or 3 guys using my alt and speed . then going home.



 Pizza whiners are a minority, alot whine on ch1 when its up cause they think its cool thing to do. But watch channel 1 its usally same guys whine and newbies jumping on bandwagon. Other day urb tried to get pole of the 300 on ya or nay pizza. @ said nay 50 ya rest didn't care.


 Its not map that makes game its players and friends, But you are right about channel 1 it has gotten to where HTC needs to let monitors eject players on spot, Not slap wrist  with no ch1 for short time. 3rd eject in 24 hrs suspend player.


  Way to much crap about peoples mothers, sisters, and racial  comments.  And what happens is these 15 yearold s or soo see grownups (so called ) use this talk they do it to extremes and get in trouble.



 ops off soap box dinner  urchin I'm sorry for you. wouldv'e had more respect if you just said time to hang up for while, then to bash players or htc for your unwillingness  to change with arena and grow.

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« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2004, 06:30:45 PM »
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Pizza map Sux. This map above all others caters to the building battlers and steamrollers.  Every time I log in I feel a twinge of embarrassment and disappointment to see all three sides have their steamroller in gear at 3 different points on the map. It's frustrating yet at once amusing when a couple or 3 planes stem the tide of the steamroller only to see it pop up somehwere else where there is no resistance.  It's why I love the small maps, there is nowhere for these timid people to hide from me.


Thought you said in another thread we werent gonna see you till friday?
Oh well  here ya go This should help :D
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« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2004, 06:40:37 PM »
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It's why I love the small maps, there is nowhere for these timid people to hide from me.


I am puzzled about one thing. I keep hearing you complain about people hiding from you.

Why on earth would anyone want to hide..from you?
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« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2004, 06:57:50 PM »
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http://www.hippoindustries.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KCC21195&Category_Code=


$38 bucks for a box of tissues?  Holy jebuz they must be made out of gold!  :confused:

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Alot more than one case,  but still :D

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« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2004, 07:49:44 PM »
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$38 bucks for a box of tissues?  Holy jebuz they must be made out of gold!  :confused:

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Alot more than one case,  but still :D


Well they are for Steve. and he seems to think people are hiding from him so I figger he wont know the difference :lol
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« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2004, 08:02:51 PM »
I'm by no means any good at this game. Been playing on and off for about 3 years I guess. I have found that after being back about 5 months I am already at the point of sort of frustrated.

BUT.....I found something that I enjoy that makes it worth it. Fly to the smallest amout of DAR there is. 1 or 2 dots. I am in a squad and when they are one I really should hang with them. But , when only maybe 2 or 3 are on I pretty much fly on my own. Oh sure I have been involved in a few gang bang hordes as they are called. But , for the most part I try to just find lil fights. No base captuing. No porking. No milk running. Just a 1v1 or 2v 1 or even 3 v 1. Heak I flew into 7 the other night and managed to hit 5 different planes before they finally got me. It was a Blast. Didn't kill a obne I don't think. But man it was Hi alt yank and bank in my lil spit v.

I found 2 new guys that I fought 2 on 1 for about 30 - 45 minutes over and over. OlDemon and OlTrgt were just a blast to fly against and were very complementary and 's on both sides and I lost almosty everytime to em. But dang it was fun.

Oh I get frustrated with the every plane you meet ho pass and have to dodge em. Every now and then you die to the HO pass. I have popped off to em about it. But nothing to the rants of most on Channel 1. Just a Nice ho. Why Ho when it's 3 on 1 or such. Just small banters. I also try to acknowl;edge guys when I'm killed as well. I think alot see that I do that as well. I try to always be nice about it and when I win (which isn't very often) I always try to say nice fight. Mainly when it's just a couple of guys. When doing a capture thing and 5 kills later it's kind of hard to em. LOL

There are excellent guys here. Some I wouldn't speak to in a 1 room hotel. They tend to be smartasses and Gloat. Never a when they shoot you. But they are good flyers and fun to fight. There are the "You suck" types that alot of times were no more than cherry pickin when they got ya. ANd the ones that beat ya up and have to let the MA know how they beat ya..Let em know how bad you are. ANd , klet the MA know that they are a god for beating your Dweeby (insert plane).

I fly the Spit V 99 percent of the time. P-51's for Jabo. I rarley fly anything else as my scores will prove. Occasional F4U. Every now and then a 262 (3 times in 3 tours I think). Never LA7. Never N1K.

There is a soulution bud...Just pick a place that not many are near. CLimb in and fly around and you'll find that fight and ACM guy your looking for. I enjoy joking with my squad guys. Having some good talking while flyinig and what nots. There ARE SOME GOOD things no matter the map. You just have to look a lil harsder to find em at times.  

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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2004, 08:15:32 PM »
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Why on earth would anyone want to hide..from you?



Because I'd wax them easily... just like I would you. Anytime you wanna step up to the plate in the MA... speak up, I'll happily pummel your smart asss into the turf.
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« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2004, 08:18:01 PM »
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Thought you said in another thread we werent gonna see you till friday?


Your comprehension skills less than par there stalker? Where in my post does it say I was talking about a login I did recently?
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« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2004, 08:24:37 PM »
I've seen this rise and fall in interest in many games. Starting out, a lot of the interest comes from learning the game and getting good at it. After that point, there is the slide in interest.

"We need more lands!" "We need more items!" "We need more quests!" etc. etc.

It just a simple fact most games lose their appeal after awhile and I find its directly related to how much time you play. Hell I'm burned out on professional football. And when's the last time any of you have cranked up Doom?  I'm sure there are more than a few that were once addicted to Quake and now laugh at it.

AH is a great game - but immune from becomming tedious? I think not. There only so much a game can provide - usually a limited ammount of hours of distraction from life.
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« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2004, 08:27:35 PM »
I think the major difference between "then" and "now" is the way a noobie is assimulated into the game. Being new, he goes with the flow.

The flow has changed and so he molded in a way different from times past.  With that the game moves farther and farther away from air to air. There is no anchor to hold it.

It's a shame really.  There are still those that come in fresh and what they want to be is the baddest mother in the valley.  They do it on they're own and seek out those that can help like Wldthng or shane. But they are a very small minority.

When I came up in WB in 98 air to air was the begining and the end of the flightsim experience.  The rest was window dressing for air to air combat.

To a certain point "now" air to air is window dressing to the rest of the flightsim for a good deal of the population.

That's so sad.

When I came up they had training most nights of the week where you worked one on one, or in a small group with a trainer on air to air combat.

It lights the fire.  Mine was lit when I arrived so I didn't take advantage of it.  The lessons I did later down the road refocused the fire.

In Aces High there is no formalized training in the art of air to air combat.  Cant really blame Dale, I imagine the training group was baggage that got heavy.

What you have in it's absense, is the squads that take on the newguy. There they learn to take territory, kill buildings and how to live.

Living is easy. Play it safe, have the numbers, blah blah blah...

If the feeling you get when you go against the odds and come out the other side with a couple of pelts is lost on a good majority of people, the flow has changed.

It has. That sucks.

I still find my fights with the rest of the old fighters, not as often. But it's enough.

That perfect reverse is on my next sortie..
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« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2004, 08:47:33 PM »
Ironically, I just started a squad for new guys only a few days ago. No 'number's guys' but for new subscribers.

I know the trainers do a good job in the training arena, but I thought a training squad that let's new guys do something in the MA for fun, while getting them further up the learning curve can't hurt.

I plan to do it in each country on a monthly rotating basis. They can't stay in the squad after finishing, but I hope some of you C.O.'s will take a look at them after they finish. They'll know enough to be productive quickly without all the questions.

We'll see how it works, but at least I want to give it a try.

http://flightsims.info (site will be improved soon) I hope you'll send some new guys to the site instead of telling them "Enter x 3" or "Alt F4." :D
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« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2004, 09:14:00 PM »
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I hope you'll send some new guys to the site instead of telling them "Enter x 3" or "Alt F4." :D


Good luck with that,  some still find that quite humorous :rolleyes: