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Offline Urchin

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« on: April 21, 2004, 08:34:57 AM »
Never to return I think.  Absolutely no emphasis on A2A combat at all.  None.  The only A2A combat I've seen since I've come back from my latest "break" was incidental to a large horde trying to take a base from a relatively small number of people.  Is it possible to be "successful" in this environment?  Sure.  It is possible to have any fun fights in this environment... no, not really.  

Same old stale N1K,Spit, La7, P51 planeset, with the occasional something else thrown in for spice.  I don't think I'll be coming back for AH1, but I'll keep paying the subscription and waiting for AH2.  Good luck all, and to HT & company, thanks for making what used to be a great game.  I guess it just outgrew me.

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2004, 08:38:51 AM »
Join the club, Urchin. The only reason I still have a subscription is for the special events and the squad ops on Friday night. I still have fun from time to time in the MA, but it's a shame that all of those early war aircraft go unused.  The CT is fun, wish more people enjoyed historical matchups as much as I do.

Hopefully AH2 will rekindle the old spirit of when AH was the new kid on the block.

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2004, 08:41:47 AM »
Unused?  There's nothing more satisfying then smashing an La7 with a p40b...
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2004, 08:43:52 AM »
Hope you return when TOD mode sets in Urch.

 Also, let's all gather around and pray that the NPA is one day, recognized and implemented :D

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2004, 08:53:55 AM »
Yes, unused. How many F4F-3's and A6M2's do you see running around compared to the usual N1K1/P-51D/LA-7 crowd?

Sure, there are one or two die hards like me and you flying early war aircraft, but the majority fly the latest, fastest, uber-est.

I don't think the game is becoming less simulation minded, I think it's the customer   demographic that's changing. More of a gaming crowd than a simulation crowd.

In the future, the simmers will probably end up in Targetware, while the gamers take over AH completely.

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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2004, 09:18:29 AM »
Urchine...

You made your return when Pizza was up. What did you expect?
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2004, 09:22:27 AM »
In the future, the simmers will probably end up in Targetware, while the gamers take over AH completely

I don't think they have a business model that will allow them to take advantage of state of affairs...BUT...if they do ever get it togeather they could easiliy do to AH what AH did to AW/WB.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2004, 09:34:22 AM »
Get IL2 Forgotten Battles and the Ace Expansion Pak, download Hyperlobby and Teamspeak, and go into the dogfight area that meets your setup parameters (full realism or whatever, its all there).

Here, i'll even point you...

IL2 Forgotten Battles Gold (Includes Ace Expansion Pak)
http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=008888681809&usitem=008888681786

Hyperlobby (also need VB5 Runtime)
http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=12
http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=4

Teamspeak
http://www.holdouts.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=1

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2004, 09:58:12 AM »
There's nothing more satisfying than encountering a Spitfire Mk IX at 15k while climbing out at 10k in a C.205.

There I was....

I figured he'd do the usual set-up: fly overhead, then dive down from the 6 0'clock position and make a guns pass.  Nope.  Instead he came straight in so I turned towards him and watched the range counter spin down.  I figured he'd break off at the last moment and go into a turn and come around from the 4 o'clock or 7 o'clock angle.  Nope.  He kept coming straight in at a dive to my face.

So I opened up the cowl guns at d1.5, then the wing cannons at d1.0, and watched his wings pop off.  He landed one cannon round on me but nothing broke.

After that I went back on my course and kept climbing, finding a heavy Thunderbolt at 15k cruising in on a base pork run.  He pickled his ordinance and tried to get away but I managed to land a cannon round or two in his wing tip and it broke away.  I probably could've finished him off mercifully, but I was feeling evil and let him die a lingering death, fighting for control of his plane all the way down.

Then I was mixing it up with a Tempest, ending up down on the deck with the Tempest trying to make a run for safety, when an LA-7 showed up and ended the flight.

There are fights out there on AKDessert, but you just gotta wait for the planets to align just right.  Still, I think any map where a fully-loaded Mustang on auto climb, straight in, is at 25k by the time it reaches an enemy base, means the map is too big and the bases too far away.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2004, 10:04:46 AM »
Urchin,

I agree, taken a break since November and just started to have a look around in the MA again. Not only is it a dissapointment as far as same old planes squad organised vulching.

But the graphics now are really starting to show their age with AH2 leaving alot to be desired in this regard as well to date.

I might start spending the odd bit of time in the MA again but just to fly something different then then normal planeset and atleast make it makes a change for whoever I come up against.



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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2004, 10:20:54 AM »
i beleive ive said this before...try the hth...

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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2004, 10:29:09 AM »
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There's nothing more satisfying than encountering a Spitfire Mk IX at 15k while climbing out at 10k in a C.205.

There I was....

I figured he'd do the usual set-up: fly overhead, then dive down from the 6 0'clock position and make a guns pass.  Nope.  Instead he came straight in so I turned towards him and watched the range counter spin down.  I figured he'd break off at the last moment and go into a turn and come around from the 4 o'clock or 7 o'clock angle.  Nope.  He kept coming straight in at a dive to my face.

So I opened up the cowl guns at d1.5, then the wing cannons at d1.0, and watched his wings pop off.  He landed one cannon round on me but nothing broke.

After that I went back on my course and kept climbing, finding a heavy Thunderbolt at 15k cruising in on a base pork run.  He pickled his ordinance and tried to get away but I managed to land a cannon round or two in his wing tip and it broke away.  I probably could've finished him off mercifully, but I was feeling evil and let him die a lingering death, fighting for control of his plane all the way down.

Then I was mixing it up with a Tempest, ending up down on the deck with the Tempest trying to make a run for safety, when an LA-7 showed up and ended the flight.

There are fights out there on AKDessert, but you just gotta wait for the planets to align just right.  Still, I think any map where a fully-loaded Mustang on auto climb, straight in, is at 25k by the time it reaches an enemy base, means the map is too big and the bases too far away.


Please don;t take this as an attack on you.  Its not.  You said that there fights outhere but your story describes how you won an HO and killing a heavy jug runner.  Nothing about a fight.  I am sure the fights are there, but they are kind of hard to find.   Again, not attacking you.  Just using your story to point out that A2A game play is not very good on Pizza.  GV and Buff however is better.  So, I fly buffs when Pizza is up.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2004, 10:30:02 AM »
I just came back...  cursing for comin back when pizza is up...

The reason I took a break... same old same old day in day out.

Looked around last night in the MA to try and find a place on the map where the green bar was close in length to the red bar...  no go..

It was people fighting buildings for the most part..

So I took a trip to the CT was good fun for abit, and then a horde descended... well 10-12 planes from one side in one area in CT is a huge horde...
Once they dropped the only FH's within 40miles...  

I went to bed..

Dunno how or if this ever can be resolved...  

Mebbe smaller servers... i have no clue

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2004, 10:59:36 AM »
Well. I dont know about the rest of you but its the people who make the game what it is. Others do not feel this way, thats fine.

Its the joking around and having a good time regardless if your dying or not that makes the game what it is for me. I can  be in the tower chatting away and have just as much fun if I were up in a plane or GV ect.

I do agree. Alot of the game has changed. I was talking to wax about it today before ever reading this post. I think much of the change has to do with how people and players envision the game. Many I think have lost sight of the fact that no matter what they do its always going to be just a game and nothing more. When you try to take it to the next level, and bring the game as close to reality as posible is when people start to lose sight of the fact that this isnt real life. They get upset over small things that mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I've tried a few of the other sims out there. IL2 being one of them. When you take into concideration what Aces High has to offer that these other sims do not have, the positives far out weigh the negatives. Just a few of these are the most obvious such as, customer service, tech suport, which are very closely related if not the same. And also the fact that Aces High still has a "small town" atmosphere. One where you know almost everyone and any new players coming into the game can get help from the vets very easily. I have many reasons why I stuck around after more than 2 years of playing. Those are the most prevalant.

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2004, 11:29:17 AM »
Yes, I realize it is just a game.  The problem is that the game just is not fun for me anymore.  

When I first started playing this game, the emphasis was on air to air combat.  New players died, learned how to fight, then fought and won (or lost, what matters is they fought).  Yes, you had a few extra-timid people that typically bore n zoomed, but it wasn't very many.  As time went by, and the population increased, the average "skill" of the arena went down.  As time continues to pass, the problem (as I see it), continues to get much worse.  

When I first started playing, it was possible to take off, fly towards an enemy base, and have a guy take off from that base to meet you.  In fact, that was the normal scheme of things.  Small fights dominated.  A "furball" with 20 guys in it was a big furball.  As time passed, and the average "skill level" of individual players went down, this behaviour started to change.  Now, you can probably count on one hand the number of enemy planes you see flying by themselves even if you fly the entire day.  Instead of small, relatively even fights, there are gigantic lopsided crusades (for lack of a better word).  

When I first started playing this game, people took pride in being able to fight.  If a particular player was known as a "good stick", it meant he was good at fighting other planes.  People like that were approached to be learned from (I know I did my fair share of .join in my first year or so of playing).  Now, people not only lack the ability to fight... they take pride in lacking that ability.  Instead of relying on themselves, they rely on superior numbers to get kills, and superior speed to run away should they find themselves in a position where don't hold every possible advantage.  Even when it is absolutely clear they have no chance of escaping... they don't try to fight.  They try to flop around and keep running.  This, more than any other factor, is contributing to my overwhelming disgust for this community.  

When I first started playing this game, there were actually "communities" within the community.  You had a couple squads that flew the P-47, and flew it well.  You had a couple squads that were dedicated P-51 fliers.  There were several outstanding squads flying LW planes.  Of course, you also had squads that flew no particular plane, but just enjoyed one anothers company and so flew together.  All of that is gone today.  There are no P-47 squads that I know of.  They finally came to the realization that the game had gotten to the point where it wasn't possible to fly the P-47 "competitively" and have fun and be successful.  There is one dedicated LW squad, that has embraced the "fighting" style encapsulated in the above paragraph.  Other than that, there are no dedicated squads that I am aware of, unless you count the squads that are de facto dedicated to the Nik, Spit, and La-7.  In short, instead of having groups of people that were recognizable and distinct... there is one mass of people that is just ... there.  

In short, I suppose I could just say that AH has changed so drastically in the past three years that it is a completely different game.  By the way, Funked, this would probably be a good post for your "Angstonizer 3000" or whatever it was called.  It'd fit a little better in this one.