minor wound, resembling a fingernail scrape

[mosgood]

Hey! Here's a novel idea!!!!  Howabout..... He's a WAR hero ...(unless you think you're a better expert on determining this than the Navy and the U.S. Government at the time and any time up to the point that he is running for the big job) .....but his politics suck????  

Ya see... saying this doesn't discredit your opinions about his politics because you're not already reaching for straws and trying to bend the truth on his war record.  

He is a War Hero....  and his politics suck.  Why do people have to try to take away everything good from a man to try to make him not THE man for the job?  


Just because the lying lawyers and politicians play this game... doesn't mean it's not below you guys....  

You got one (points to head)  use it.......

[lasersailor184]

It's called thinking people, try it sometime.



Kerry got a bronze star for pulling someone out of the water.


Everyone else that got a bronze star for a similar action had to save someone WHO WAS DROWNING, 9 times out of 10 jumping in the water with them.

Kerry had leaned over the side of the boat and lifted a man out of the water.  Worthy of a medal?



Kerry got a silver star for shooting someone who had been at least clipped with .50 cal machine guns.  He broke protocol and ran ashore.  He put his crew in danger to kill someone who wasn't going to get up.

Yet everyone else who does something like this is a sneeze away from a Court Martial.  Worthy of a medal?




But remember, neither of the two are war heroes.

[rpm]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's called thinking people, try it sometime.
Kerry got a bronze star for pulling someone out of the water.

Everyone else that got a bronze star for a similar action had to save someone WHO WAS DROWNING, 9 times out of 10 jumping in the water with them.

Kerry had leaned over the side of the boat and lifted a man out of the water.  Worthy of a medal?

Under close, heavy, ENEMY fire, yes.

Kerry got a silver star for shooting someone who had been at least clipped with .50 cal machine guns.  He broke protocol and ran ashore.  He put his crew in danger to kill someone who wasn't going to get up.

Yet everyone else who does something like this is a sneeze away from a Court Martial.  Worthy of a medal?

I see you have access to the VC medical records. What was Sir Charles pulse, blood pressure and eyesight right before Kerry killed him? Yes the coward Kerry should have let him run back to get more RPG's instead of doing his duty and killing the enemy.

But remember, neither of the two are war heroes.

Well, you are 1/2 right. Bush has never been to War...but he did watch John Wayne movies in the National Guard.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm371
Yes, the COWARD KERRY should have joined the NATIONAL GUARD instead of HIDING IN THE MEKONG DELTA. The rich no-good SOB!

When you take enemy fire and become wounded you may have earned the right to criticize his duty, until then get back to peeling those potatoes, Chesty.

OH I see SOOOOO CLEARLY NOW....

first because he's this "war hero" that give's him the right to come home and blatently lie about his experience in order to churn up more dissent amung the American public and to further his own political carreer?

Second the dems. can sit there and call Bush AWOL and deserter with out any proof Demand to his records made public but the same scrutiny doesnt apply to Kerry.

What if I said Kerry deserted his post in Vietnam and abandon his duty by leaving early?  Isnt that not the same thing that Bush did stateside?  OH NO WAIT BUSH DIDNT GO TO VIETNAM HE SERVED IN THE GUARD.

Yea I love this, alot of libral hippies now are criticizing Bush for not goin to a war that they protested to begin with

this whole story is SSOOOOO loaded with irony

[rpm]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
What if I said Kerry deserted his post in Vietnam and abandon his duty by leaving early?  Isnt that not the same thing that Bush did stateside?  OH NO WAIT BUSH DIDNT GO TO VIETNAM HE SERVED IN THE GUARD.

Yea I love this, alot of libral hippies now are criticizing Bush for not goin to a war that they protested to begin with

this whole story is SSOOOOO loaded with irony

The difference is there are people who actually SAW Kerry in Vietnam. People actually SAW Kerry engage the enemy. People actually SAW Kerry's wounds from ENEMY fire.

Yes, there is irony. A vet criticizing another vet for doing his duty in wartime.
BTW whats on the menu beside potatoes and crow, Chesty?

[lasersailor184]

Oh yes RPM, people can take .50 caliber hits like it's pez candy.





And we also know that the Vietnamese were fighting a conventional war.  There was nothing bad that could have happened to him or his crew when he jumped off the boat.  The vietnamese would have waited with honor until he got back on.

[mosgood]

Btw... a lot of people consider GB Sr. a War hero...

HELL!  they even got footage of him endangering the lives of sailors in a submarine trying to save him!!!

This is being said with heavy sarcasm.....


I'm sure a lot of the same people (republicans) that concider GB Sr. a hero are now saying Kerry isn't one.  It's all BS..

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by mosgood
Btw... a lot of people consider GW Sr. a War hero...

HELL!  they even got footage of him endangering the lives of sailors in a submarine trying to save him!!!

This is being said with heavy sarcasm.....


I'm sure a lot of the same people (republicans) that concider GW Sr. a hero are now saying Kerry isn't one.  It's all BS..

I posted this Bush Sr as a democrat in the eyes of republicans spoof in another thread.

Lol, could you see if Bush Sr was a democrat?

Democrats: But he is a war vet who made sure his crew bailed from a burning aircraft before bailing himself, then pulled out his pistol and prepared to fight til the death against a Japanese patrol boat.

Republicans: First of all, the aircraft was still flight worthy and should have been returned to base. Second of all, that wasn't a patrol boat, it was a harmless Japanese fishing boat. Third, his pistol probably would not have worked and he did not have it when he was pulled aboard the submarine, he probably threw it away to surrender. He lost a plane, crew, and pistol, just to take a swim, he should be shot.

[Saurdaukar]

The military records of Bush Sr. and Kerry arent even close to comparable.

You might as well discuss the similarities between Gretsky and little Jimmy Watson, the third line left winger for the Springfield Junior High Pirates hockey team who bruised his thumb and left the big game.

[mosgood]

"Coming from a family with a tradition of public service, George Herbert Walker Bush felt the responsibility to make his contribution both in time of war and in peace. Born in Milton, Massachusetts, on June 12, 1924, he became a student leader at Phillips Academy in Andover. On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action. "

Here's what the White House says about GB Sr.'s military carreer.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by mosgood
Born in Milton, Massachusetts, on June 12, 1924,

The republicans are really gonna hate us now, we just keep breeding war heroes. (lol, yes, I am asking for trouble, i'm gonna get buried)

He should have kept that house, you see the prices of homes in Milton? That thing is probably worth about 500k(no kidding)

[strk]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Total BS..  What a straw man.. Name one laser?  How many bullets have you taken? How many you had fired at you?

Hell, i'll answer for you...  NONE



This has to be the most laughable ignorant statement yet by this fool...  I think he just described the wishes of every war vet outta vietnam.. Actually, propably the wishes of 99.9% of all vets from any war........ What a tool this guy is...

dude

for real.  He wrecks a few virtual spitfires and he thinks he knows what war is.  Im sure laser would be the first to volunteer for the most dangerous missions - until he learns he can't respawn lol

[strk]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
yes you are correct....Kerry released SOME records a while ago to the boston globe...but NOT ALL OF THEM.  

 

I hear other RWers on this board saying this but iirc I read somewhere that all records were released this week.  Do you have any proof or a link that he has not released all records this week?

Compare Bush* records - they still haven't been fully released (TANG officer witnessed sanitization of his records and documents thrown away) and still do not account for the time in Alabama.  Plus Bush*, after receiving an expensive training program to be a pilot - which he barely qualified for but somehow managed to get in ahead of thousands of others - Bush* is not able to fulfill his duty with the TANG because he loses flight status.  

How about that statement to join the guard that he was going to make aviation his career?  That didnt last the 4 year hitch.

The problem the RW has with Kerry's record is that it makes Bush*'s look lame, which it is.

[strk]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
OH I see SOOOOO CLEARLY NOW....

first because he's this "war hero" that give's him the right to come home and blatently lie about his experience in order to churn up more dissent amung the American public and to further his own political carreer?

Second the dems. can sit there and call Bush AWOL and deserter with out any proof Demand to his records made public but the same scrutiny doesnt apply to Kerry.

What if I said Kerry deserted his post in Vietnam and abandon his duty by leaving early?  Isnt that not the same thing that Bush did stateside?  OH NO WAIT BUSH DIDNT GO TO VIETNAM HE SERVED IN THE GUARD.

Yea I love this, alot of libral hippies now are criticizing Bush for not goin to a war that they protested to begin with

this whole story is SSOOOOO loaded with irony

1.  if Kerry were republican candidate we wouldnt be hearing the end of how great his military record was.

2.  He came home and he challenged what he thought was wrong.  He saw good men dying for the wrong reasons and he did his best to stop it.  Has Bush* ever done anything that wasn't in his self interest?

3.  There has never been any question that Kerry served his time, did not desert, and was decorated for his service.

4.  WHat if?  Are you saying that Kerry left Vietnam without orders?  

5.  Bush* deserves the criticism because he was pro-vietnam war.  In other words he supported the war but just not to the extent that his bellybutton was on the front line.

Irony doesnt begin to cover it.  Its straight up hypocrisy by the RW.  Denigrating Bush* record we are warned not to belittle the national guard, but the RW jumps on Kerry and Bush* isnt warning them that they are insulting the Navy!  


I wonder what the US would be like if Washington's Army in the Rev. war gave the same level of service that Bush* gave in the Vietnam war.  I imagine we would be drinking a lot more tea.

Now this genius has started a war that we didnt need to start, and that we are getting nothing out of except soldiers and marines coming home in body bags.  

Good men are once again dying for no good reason.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by strk

The problem the RW has with Kerry's record is that it makes Bush*'s look lame, which it is.

LOL!!!  The Boy Scouts make both look lame... the difference is Bush isnt pretending to be a 'war hero.'


Get real, lefty-boy.