Kerry Military Records - 20 Unofficial Kills

[Nash]

Nice rant!

Originally posted by RedTop
From what I have read..cant remember as I have read so much..and from what I have heard...

Poor start.....

[RedTop]

Yeah..you maybe right..but...at this point....I'm to tired..and just plain ole not gonna give it a try.

Not much of what I say means anything anyway....To either side..SO..THink I'll just sit here and eat my Wendy's Triple w/Cheese Combo and keep reading stuff.

[Yeager]

I followed you just fine redtop.  Nash has a way of making people feel stupid when they are not.  Ignore him when he gets like that.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by muckmaw
You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician.

Originally posted by Sixpence
You just described Bush.

Six, you really don't believe that do you?

I mean, do you really believe Bush has spent his entire life crafting for political office?

He would prob. laugh his a## off if you said this to him, I think he would have changed more then a few things in his past if this were true.

I for one perfer a man who says what he means and means what he says, to one who changes his mind with his socks, or suits his political needs at the time.

Thing is Bush is real, good, bad, what ever, he is a lot more like us then the marry into the good life JFK is.

JFK has 5 homes each worth over 3 mil. each and is one of the wealthest men in DC and wants me to believe he is one of us, huh!
 
He is trying the only thing left and that is his war record and it's not working (look at the polls) to bad the ecnomy is recovering so nicely and he had to quite down on that a bit.

 All he has left is "Im a better war hero then Bush" sorry not going to be enough.

Clinton's won't let him win anyway, will kill thier shot at the WH in 08.

Nope, looks like we won't change horses in mid stream, I just read a poll that claimed 69% think we will be attacked again. In another poll only 34% feel safer with  Kerry in charge. This means we feel safer with Bush then Kerry and believe the war is not over, this is what middle America will thke to the polls in Nov.

and thats the way it is

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Scootter
Six, you really don't believe that do you?

I mean, do you really believe Bush has spent his entire life crafting for political office?

Yes.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by strk


Oh and I want to meet the veterans that you know whose military record made Kerry look like a cabbage patch kid.  How many of these guys do you know?  

You are disparaging an american combat veteran.  You should thank God every morning that combat veterans fought to give you the best country in the world to come live in from your second world socialist country.  When you denigrate the heroic, decorated service of a veteran you are hating those people that made America.  

Two great uncles on my dad's side fought in WWII, five years each. One started at the age of 17, the other, having started at the age of 18, finished the war in Berlin. Both were wounded multiple times. Both survived the bulk of their units. Niether said a word about their actions until old age(one of them never spoke of it at all until three weeks before dying of cancer). I knew the both of them well.

Three more on my mother's side, two of which never came home.  

I respect veterans. I feel for them and weep for them when they are hurt or killed in the line of duty. I still feel for the guys that died 60 years ago as I do for the young men and women who it today. Kerry, sorry to say, is worthy of no more or less respect than any of those who came before or after him.

Just because I happen not to like your veteran of choice says nothing about my general attitude towards the armed services, or towards the nation for which I am extremely greatful. Once again, I repeat, Kerry is not America personified. He's a guy that apparently did his job, no more, no less. Good for him. It doesn't entitle him to anything as far as his political ambitions go.

As for my income, or my inheritance, it's none of your whoopeeed business, but frankly, while the climate of things may piss me off personally, it pisses me off on a general level when a government body can claim ownership to something that a family created with its bare hands. The income tax they take is already more than enough. Spitting on the wishes of the deceased it taking it too far. My family is not big business. They are not corporate pigs. They are hardworking doctors that have seen success here that would be unheard of back in my '****hole' homeland. Just because it is an improvement doesn't mean we should be enthusiastic about having what's rightfully ours 'redistributed'.

I'll wave my flag anywhere I want, whenever I want, and as much as I want. I thank every service man and woman who allows me that right--Kerry included. I'll vote for him to go into the oval office when Hell freezes over.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Yeager
I followed you just fine redtop.  Nash has a way of making people feel stupid when they are not.  Ignore him when he gets like that.

Hehe.

Yer awesome Yeager.  

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by Nash
Is Capt. Pork an immigrant?

If so... I'll go ahead and say it because Funked is so damned selective with this:

PWNED!

Who's doing the PWNING?

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Yeager
I followed you just fine redtop.  Nash has a way of making people feel stupid when they are not.  Ignore him when he gets like that.

Well Yeager..Nash just wants more proof..and thats fine..I understand that. I don't really feel stupid.

As I said...sort of.....

Bush made the statement according to Fox News I think on Tuesday Night ..(I work Nights so all I see is re-runs of the shows) that He would like to be a 2 term pres. but that if doing what he feels is the right thing and he doesn't gat a 2nd term then so be it. He said that he wouldn't not do it for political gain or a 2nd term.

Saying that although I thought alot of him already meant alot to me personally. HE sees what he thinks his right and does something about it. HE believes in his cause and that in itself makes him better to me.

I worked for Bush (sort of) when he was Govenor of Texas. My Job is a Supervisor of a Computer room for the Senate and House of Reps. for Texas. I have shook his hand..met him breifly. He wasn't the greatest Govenor but was a great one. He talks to people. He understands the common guy IMHO. Oh sure he has wealth. But that doesn't seem to come thru. He doesn't seem to look down on those with less.

He seems very smart to me. Much is made that he isn't but let me tell ya..The guy is smart. Is he articulate and polished like most carrer politicians? NO..not by a long shot. Again..he can speak to the common person. He's got strong moral beliefs that I agree with for the most part. HE stands by what he says. HE doesn't change is mind with the political winds. IS he crafty and a cagey politician. YES..He wouldn't have made it to where he is hadn't he been that. BUT..SHow me a politician that isn't and I'll show you a 1 term whatever they are if they even get elected.

I have only News and Retoric and passed records to go by. I have tried to keep up with it as best I can but DANG if I don't get tired of hearing BUSH bashing from the left. Bush's numbers are up. No the war isn't going as was expected but then again what war has ever went as expected.

I don't have the luxery of sitting down with Kerry or Pres. Bush to have a talk. To ask them questions that are inportant to me personally. Not many do. SO I'll wait til November..Cast my Vote for Bush and Walk away from the booth very happy with myself for voting my consience and my belief of who is best and not voting with whatever the political wind may be blowing in. If that makes sense. LOL  

[strk]

Originally posted by RedTop
From what I have read..cant remember as I have read so much..and from what I have heard Kerry had to practically beg for a purple heart. Now being ex military and NAVY to boot...If I had asperations to be in politics...I wouldn't want to be on a frigate either. ALSO , as an officer I know that if I get into more serious spots I may gain GREAT ploitical ammo for my carrer. I also know that I GIVE orders to those men under me to fight. SO...With that said and reading the above drivel...Kerry suffered shrapnel to his buttocks (***) and arm. I could get a minor cut on my arm in the dead of summer , sweating like no tomorrow , and look like I been shot from the blood.

Being on those boats although dangerous is in my opinion no more than him looking for ammo for a political carrer. I have heard several times that he had political asperations before going into the Navy. SO being a Frigate Officer in Vietnam although noble doesn't do as much for a carrer as River Boat would.

IF you have to ask for a purple heart from your CO then he obviously didn't think you need one. Silver Satr awarded...AGAIN more ammo. Beaching his Boat and killing 20? THEY may have killed 20. I doubt although I havent seen it anywhere that KERRY killed more than 2 or 3. Whoever was manning the GUN killed them. I don't remember reading it was HIM on that gun. It says he "Initaited" a response. Giving and oreder to your gunner to shoot is intiating that response.

I could go on and on but I'm not. Bush's record is nothing to get motivated about. But Kerry's isn't either. LOTS AND LOTS of men served with just as much and MORE bravery than he did. They gave up more than a buttock wound and a "contusion" and didn't get a purple heart. MOST didn't come home and WHINE like a lil wuss either. MORE POLITICAL reteric.

Vote for him if you like. I'll take Bush and his STRONG WILL and STRONG CONVICTIONS to do what he thinks is right over that Waffleing glorified wimp bellybutton Kerry anyday.

END OF RANT

Why don't you show us some proof to back up all your opinions?

I think it is despicable when someone questions the motives of a man fighting in combat for this country.  It is disgusting and unpatriotic.  

To do so for political purposes strips you of any credibility you might have had.

So you were USN huh?  WHat was your rate? what ship(S)?

[strk]

Originally posted by Scootter
Originally posted by muckmaw
You see, Kerry strikes me a smart, opportunist who's been crafting his entire life for political office. I see him as the consumate politician.


 


Six, you really don't believe that do you?

I mean, do you really believe Bush has spent his entire life crafting for political office?

He would prob. laugh his a## off if you said this to him, I think he would have changed more then a few things in his past if this were true.

I for one perfer a man who says what he means and means what he says, to one who changes his mind with his socks, or suits his political needs at the time.

Thing is Bush is real, good, bad, what ever, he is a lot more like us then the marry into the good life JFK is.

JFK has 5 homes each worth over 3 mil. each and is one of the wealthest men in DC and wants me to believe he is one of us, huh!
 
He is trying the only thing left and that is his war record and it's not working (look at the polls) to bad the ecnomy is recovering so nicely and he had to quite down on that a bit.

 All he has left is "Im a better war hero then Bush" sorry not going to be enough.

Clinton's won't let him win anyway, will kill thier shot at the WH in 08.

Nope, looks like we won't change horses in mid stream, I just read a poll that claimed 69% think we will be attacked again. In another poll only 34% feel safer with  Kerry in charge. This means we feel safer with Bush then Kerry and believe the war is not over, this is what middle America will thke to the polls in Nov.

and thats the way it is

You think Bush* is like us???  He comes from Big Money, and don't forget it.  He is from Connecticut, dont forget.  

The whole down home texas BS is a gimick to dupe people like you into believing he is one of us.  He aint no cowboy, he is afraid of horses.  

All hat.  No cattle

Even the Crawford ranch is a fake.  In 1999, the previous owner was running a pig farm there.  He bought it as a prop for his presidential run.

smoke and mirrors.  Cheney is the man pulling the strings

[strk]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Two great uncles on my dad's side fought in WWII, five years each. One started at the age of 17, the other, having started at the age of 18, finished the war in Berlin. Both were wounded multiple times. Both survived the bulk of their units. Niether said a word about their actions until old age(one of them never spoke of it at all until three weeks before dying of cancer). I knew the both of them well.

Three more on my mother's side, two of which never came home.  

I respect veterans. I feel for them and weep for them when they are hurt or killed in the line of duty. I still feel for the guys that died 60 years ago as I do for the young men and women who it today. Kerry, sorry to say, is worthy of no more or less respect than any of those who came before or after him.

Just because I happen not to like your veteran of choice says nothing about my general attitude towards the armed services, or towards the nation for which I am extremely greatful. Once again, I repeat, Kerry is not America personified. He's a guy that apparently did his job, no more, no less. Good for him. It doesn't entitle him to anything as far as his political ambitions go.

As for my income, or my inheritance, it's none of your whoopeeed business, but frankly, while the climate of things may piss me off personally, it pisses me off on a general level when a government body can claim ownership to something that a family created with its bare hands. The income tax they take is already more than enough. Spitting on the wishes of the deceased it taking it too far. My family is not big business. They are not corporate pigs. They are hardworking doctors that have seen success here that would be unheard of back in my '****hole' homeland. Just because it is an improvement doesn't mean we should be enthusiastic about having what's rightfully ours 'redistributed'.

I'll wave my flag anywhere I want, whenever I want, and as much as I want. I thank every service man and woman who allows me that right--Kerry included. I'll vote for him to go into the oval office when Hell freezes over.

No offense here, Pork, but if you imigrated from a socialist country, who were your great uncles fighting FOR in WW2?

The rest of your post shows that you need to do some research.

[Nash]

Nice rant!

Originally posted by RedTop


Well Yeager..Nash just wants more proof..and thats fine..I understand that. I don't really feel stupid.

As I said...sort of.....

Bush made the statement according to Fox News I think on Tuesday Night  

Poor start.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by strk
No offense here, Pork, but if you imigrated from a socialist country, who were your great uncles fighting FOR in WW2?

The rest of your post shows that you need to do some research.

They fought for the Red Army. I came from the USSR in 1981. You can contend their socialistic status if you want. It's all the same to me. Soviet Russia was the epitome of oppressive, especially to a Jewish family. If knowing oppression personally is a criterium for appreciating the US, you can say I'm fairly well versed.

What, exactly, do you suggest I research further?

If it's Kerry's war record, I do believe it would be beating a dead horse. As I've said before, his status as a veteran does not make him a good politican. At least not to me.

[RedTop]

Strk..Im not sure where your from...But.... He may have been born in Conneticut..But he got to Texas as fast as he could:p

Pigs are on ranches..Farms..I even seen a few in suburbia as pets. Oh and though he is from big money..Don't mean he doesnt relate to folks. Kerry carries himself as that type that would be looking down his nose at you while he takes your contibution.

There isn't a ton of Cowboys in Texas either....As I said I'm not sure where your from..BUT I live here...and I know...there are a TON of HATS and No Cattle types here. I don't even own a truck no more dad gone it..I went out and bought me one of the fan-dangled regular old FOo Foo Cars called a Corvette. ANd I even wear Boots when Driving it..Can you imagine that?

We do sell Boots with Spikes on em for playing Golf though. Helps with that Cow Pasture Pool so's ya dont slip on none of that there Horse Crap or Bull Sh**. (Spits Backy Juice) By Gods we even has a regular Car Lot here in Texas. No Wagons allowed fer traded though. Only Horses with gooood teeth allowed on da lot. (spits more backy juice)

SMoke and Mirrors you say?  Yer what we call in South Texas    LOCO:rofl