FesterMA

[beet1e]

Morning, Guys!

Let's do the easy ones first. Steve! Still wasting your time?  Sax, no need. As you will see in a moment.

DMF! Thanks for the lesson. My brother is a Maths teacher and specialises in Pure Maths and Statistics. (He doesn't like Applied Maths much) I'll be sure to email him with your post. Yes indeed, the mean, the median (Medium?) and the mode. Not many of us know about those different averages.

But now let me tell you about the voting system. I conducted my poll along the lines of how a British parliamentary poll would have been conducted. On polling day, which in this country is always a Thursday, the polling stations open at 7am and close at 10pm. School buildings are often used as polling stations which is great for the kids because they get the day off. The senior person in charge at the polling station (PS) is known as the Returning Officer (RO). Each person coming into the PS to vote is given instructions on how to vote for their chosen candidate. These instructions are to vote for one and only one candidate by marking a X in the space next  to the name of the candidate of their choice. This is done in the privacy of a voting booth - no-one looking over the shoulder etc. The ballot paper is then placed in the ballot box for the ballots to be counted later.

Typically, there will be three candiates representing the three major parties - Labour/Conservative/Liberal Democrat (Lab./Con.LD). There may be additional parties such as the Raving Monster Loony Party - I'm being serious. So there could be a few more than three, but there need not be seven.

Some points to note:

• If a voter votes for more than one candidate, or marks the ballot paper in any other way other than a single X in ONE of the designated boxes, the vote is void and is deemed to be a "spoilt ballot paper". So, for example, whereas I might be tempted to write "Piss off, Blair" on my own ballot paper at the next election, I must show restraint or else my vote will be discounted.
• The polls are open only for those 15 hours. The RO does not have the option of keeping the PS open if voter turnout has been low, in order to allow a few more people to come along.
• The incumbent party is not empowered to instruct the RO to close the poll when they feel enough votes have been cast and/or that the votes collected thus far are the ones they need to get the result they want.
• When counting the votes, the RO is not empowered to sift through the spoilt ballot papers, making his own interpretation of "what the voter really meant" if more than one vote had been cast, or if the X spanned two boxes. (And that is precisely what your stance has been throughout this entire debate - tinkering with dubious votes, and making your own interpretation as to where to place those votes according to your agenda. Thus it also becomes clear WHY the RO is not empowered to do this.)

So as you can see, DMF, those 2/3 votes equate to an X which spans more than one box in the ballot paper. And 2.5/3.5 would equate to marking Lab./LibDem or maybe Lab./Con. on the paper. Which is it?! How can the RO be sure which single vote the person would have made? They can't. And the only fair way to deal with spoilt ballot papers is to discount them. And that's what I did with those 2/3, 2.5 etc. votes. Maybe I should have said I would close the poll after 24 hours, but the voting had trickled off by then anyway.

Basically, we may measure variables at four different levels -- dichotomous, nominal, ordinal (or continuous categorical as I called it, an apt if incomplete description), and interval/ratio. You erroneously believe that the rules that apply to dichotomous variables (yes and no, for example) likewise apply to ordinal variables for polling purposes when they do not. The example you gave of the beers is nominal -- that is, it is categorical without degrees of difference between categories. Measures such as religion or race fall in this measurement level. Your poll employed an ordinal variable with values ranging from "all the time" to "most of the time" to "none of the time." Interval and ratio measures are truly continuous and consist of things like income and age, though we may turn interval measures into ordinal ones for polling purposes.

Yes, very impressive. But don't you think that's way over the top for a guy who just wants to get a broad feel for what a relative handful of his playmates do in a freaking *game*?

<-- sometimes one is not enough.

[Flyboy]

The Problem with FESTERMA is 90% of the time a furball becomes a Gangbang in no time, and thats suck.

i hate gangbangs, from the both ends of it. its not fun racing with 5 others on a single con, and its not fun fighting alone against 5 other cons.

allthough it seems that most ppl enjoy it since once the numbers advantage has been established you will soon see a new horde joining in the fight and by that completely wiping it out- usually ending in a vulching.

ofcourse it happans on all the maps but in festerma its the dominant way of fighting by a huge margin.

 

EDIT: note pictore, lower area big gangbang to rooks favor, higher area big gangbang to knights favor. and although it doesnt show very well in the pictore (curse jpeg blurrines) in the middle theres a fight which is degrading rapidly in to a gangbang.

[beet1e]

Flyboy - for getting us back on topic.

I agree 100% with your point of view.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Steve
Jackal you have proven to  me time and again what a salamander you are.  Save your comments... they are constantly made to insult/incite... always without merit or substance.  You're a dick, plain and simple.

ROFLMAO Yea Stevie boy, your constant whining and your over and over "he personaly insulted me" posts everyday hold a lot more value.
  Get a grip.

[mars01]

The Problem with FESTERMA is 90% of the time a furball becomes a Gangbang in no time, and thats suck.

i hate gangbangs, from the both ends of it. its not fun racing with 5 others on a single con, and its not fun fighting alone against 5 other cons.

allthough it seems that most ppl enjoy it since once the numbers advantage has been established you will soon see a new horde joining in the fight and by that completely wiping it out- usually ending in a vulching.

ofcourse it happans on all the maps but in festerma its the dominant way of fighting by a huge margin.
 

Please substanciate how this map makes furballs turn into gangbangs more than any other map?

I guess if you remove the ability to furball, like the pizza map does, then you just have the gangbangs with no defense and therefore no furball.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by mars01
Please substanciate how this map makes furballs turn into gangbangs more than any other map?

I guess if you remove the ability to furball, like the pizza map does, then you just have the gangbangs with no defense and therefore no furball.

yup... at least with festerma if the furball/horde/gangbang gets to your base and starts vulching, you can up at the base 5miles away..........

At least festerma caters for all types of play imo. Pizza doesnt, period. Its just milk run this, milkrun that, but then, most people these days want to take bases almost without a fight.

[mars01]

I agree Overlag,

I think the closer bases allow a better defense against the hordes and fuel porking.

Maps where the bases are a sector or more apart let the hordes go almost completely unopposed and almost never turn into a furball.

[Citabria]

so on festerma the furball becomes a gangbang when one side gets shot down?

i think by definition if two oposing forces of equal strength engage in a dogfight and one side is winning the loosing side will be reduced in numbers to the point where the remaining planes are gangbanged and their ability to fight on equal footing is lost.


thats if the fight starts evenly.


but why did the fight start? were the players out to dogfight and lost the fight and got ganged?
likely.

on pizza map its more often the case that the players were engaged in taking an airbase and either had no opposition some opposition or were outnumbered and resultantly gangbanged.

ok done rambling.

[Citabria]

by the way it is a lot of fun to fight a hoard of 30+ enemies with a small squad working together to cover eachother.

and if the small squad is in 262s and covering eachother they can pretty much destroy any hoard at will and ussually survive unscathed while the former hoard slinks away and scatters to another part of the map in defeat.

[mars01]

by the way it is a lot of fun to fight a hoard of 30+ enemies with a small squad working together to cover eachother.

Rgr that, dead on Fester, is defiantly the best part about the hordes, especially when the bases are close together.

[Citabria]

indeed mars.

our squad flies 262s almost exclusively against large hoards of enemy planes. with the large speed advantage its the most fun way to fly that plane, the greater the enemy numbers advantage the more enjoyable it is.

its always such an adrenalin rush when your doing 500mph wiht 3 wingies and tearing the crap out of a hoard of enemy planes that felt so safe with their numbers. and thats the real reason that dweebs fly in hoards and go where the crowd is, they think they are safe!
hahaha screeeeeee blam blam blam

[Steve]

he personaly insulted me" posts everyday hold a lot more value

Pull your head out of your rectum.  Where do I post these posts every day?  Ohhh I get it... you were lying.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by mars01
Please substanciate how this map makes furballs turn into gangbangs more than any other map?

I guess if you remove the ability to furball, like the pizza map does

Mars,

On first sight, you seem to be answering your own question. You're asking how FesterMA turns furballs into gangbangs quicker than other maps like pizza, and the answer is that it encourages furballs (which is clearly why the furballers like it) and then, as Flyboy has observed -

The Problem with FESTERMA is 90% of the time a furball becomes a Gangbang in no time, and thats suck.

Pizza sees less gangbangery because it doesn't have as much of the furball ingredient which is the very thing (as Flyboy has observed) which leads to gangbangs. That's why furballs are so prevalent on the small maps, which in turn is why the small maps see so much gangbanging. Which is why they suck.

[Steve]

Let's do the easy ones first. Steve! Still wasting your time?

I supported you in that you are entitled to draw whatever conclusion from your poll you want and this is what you return?  Lol, foolish I am for trying again.  Beetle you are a blathering fool who argues for for the sake of argument, none here would gainsay me  that.  You're right, I am wasting my time.

Just one more thing:  bugger off you complete banana.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Steve
I supported you in that you are entitled to draw whatever conclusion from your poll you want and this is what you return?  Lol, foolish I am for trying again.  Beetle you are a blathering fool who argues for for the sake of argument, none here would gainsay me  that.  You're right, I am wasting my time.

Just one more thing:  bugger off you complete banana.

Steve! Sorry, mate. I enjoyed a good stats discussion. I forgot to acknowledge your earlier remark. As I said, I just wanted the broadest of indications. Nothing too scientific. Nothing that needs to use E-numbers' worth of decimal places. (I'm not talking about food additive e numbers btw ) So yes, I asked my Q and I got answers. FWIW I was surprised at the results myself.

Don't go off in a strop!