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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2004, 02:46:26 PM »
I had an 80 olds cutlass calais with t-tops and all power options once. Great ride and all. That would have been a better car if it had some power.

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2004, 02:50:05 PM »
Nah, i have the new GTO now and love it.

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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2004, 02:52:54 PM »
Had a "73" "S" type with swivel bucket seats, sport steering wheel, center console, 350 rocket, sweet ride.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2004, 02:54:38 PM »
I've got a 99 Buick Regal, and I have to say it's a pretty darn good car.  We bought it a couple years ago when we had our first kid so we'd have a safe vehicle, but with kid #2, we got a Yukon and I inherited the Regal from my wife.

It's got good power, especially for a family car, and it comfortably cruises at around 100mph.  My wife used to regularily make the LA to Eugene, OR run (just under 1000 miles) in a 14 hour single shot, and that's with meal breaks at restaurants, gas, and so on.  In the Yukon, she can now carry lots more stuff and two kids, but she splits the drive into two parts now.

When it comes to pure quarter mile, the Buick isn't really competetion to anyone, but if you need something with long legs, it's a keeper.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2004, 03:02:01 PM »
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Originally posted by Suave
The oldsmobile 442 was THE muscle car.



But what have they done for us lately?  Good riddance, Boringmobile.

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2004, 03:49:36 PM »
The 'vette and CTS-V are street rockets.  Cadillac has seen the light, I hope, and realizes that its future lies in the road racing circuit.   I think they've killed their LMP effort and turned it over to the production-based cars, as evidence in the whooping the CTS-V is dishing out to Audi, Acura, and BMW in the Speedvision races.

The Corvette team practically owns the GTS division of ALMS racing.  Dodge, Ferrari, and Saleen are battling it out for third at best.

I'm still not quite sure about the GTO.  I think the Mustang owns that niche, and with the '05 Mustang speedback, its gonna be a slam-dunk against GM.  Pontiac better come up with something before GM becomes a 4-horse team with Chevy covering the low-end lines, Cadillac taking the high-end business, Buick playing the role of Cadillac-wanna-be, and Saturn being the small-car/first-car company.  

Everything Pontiac sells, Chevy sells, too.  Except for the GTO.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2004, 03:56:56 PM »
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The oldsmobile 442 was THE muscle car. I remember rarely seeing those once in a while when I was a kid. Just a basic good looking car built on a hotrod engine with a hotrod transmission. A street legal race car. That was an earth shaking, tranny torqing machine, and it came that way right out of the factory. On two rare occasions I remember seeing a Hurst olds, which was basically a sexed up 442.

That's too bad, but really man, when was the last time oldsmobile put out a desirable car ?


When I was very little my mom had a 442.  She liked it because it was red/orange, looked cool and could roar.  She basically used it as minivans are used today, however.

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2004, 04:05:47 PM »
Gofaster, I think the Niche for classic looking modern cars is big enough to fit botha GTO and the Mustang.

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2004, 09:33:37 AM »
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Will Buick be next? They havent made a car thats worth anything since the Grand National..



I have two Regal T-Types - an 84 and an 87. (Exactly the same thing as a GN but with different color paint and interior). The 84 is a nice highway car, the 87 is really quick.

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2004, 09:37:52 AM »
I believe the Regal is the sister of the Olds Aurora.

I heard a rumor that GM was going back to the front engine/RWD platform for some of their cars. I'm hoping that rumor didn't just pertain to the GTO and 'vette.

Maybe we'll get a mid-sized muscle car once again!  Woo-hoo!

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2004, 09:42:11 AM »
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Gofaster, I think the Niche for classic looking modern cars is big enough to fit botha GTO and the Mustang.


The problem is, a lot of that market is split now amongst the import ricers on the low end, the BMW 318-series on the high end, and the Mustang and GTO somewhere in between.  I think the real potential will be a mid-size RWD sports coupe with a practical back seat and a trunk big enough for 2 sets of golf clubs for less than $30k.

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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2004, 10:06:00 AM »
Gofaster

The GTO back seat has plenty of room easily fits a six foot person, I agree the trunk is a bit small though, 2 golf bags max.

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2004, 10:15:55 AM »
Still driving a 1997 Olds 88 -- best buy for a full size comfy cruiser with timeless lines.  

This classic Olds is one of the last cars you sink into, sort of the bottom part of a split level house.  Vehicles now are 1 story, 2 stories or 3 stories high.  "Command driving position"?  Yeah, but tippy too.  

Traffic in many U.S. cities is beginning to look like downtown Baghdad with all the big heavy aggressive machinery.  

But ... gotta admit, for all-around versatility, still nothing like a good-size van or wagon that seats at least six.
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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2004, 10:21:15 AM »
Happened because the geniuses at GM (the same ones who gave us Herb Fishel) decided that GM should be like the Borg. All GM cars should be identical to their sister cars in other divisions.

Then they decided to abandon the market that Oldsmobile catered to.

The Oldsmobile buyer was the person who wanted a medium to large semi luxury car with a V8 and rear wheel drive. The Olds 88 and 98 ceased to fit their needs and desires back in the mid eighties. Throughout the eighties, the number one car in the U.S. was the GM G body (Cutlass, Monte Carlo, Regal, and Grand Prix). Number one was the Olds Cutlass. When production ceased in 1988, 3 years after GM wanted it to, the Olds Cutlass was still a top seller. Once they killed the full size V8 rear wheel drive 98/88 and the mid sized V8 rear wheel drive Cutlass, Oldsmobile was doomed.

GM COULD have done a redesign, and built the full frame rear wheel drive cars with aluminum frames and engines, and lightened them up even more, added fuel injection and better computer management for high performance, excellent fuel economy, and low emissions. But they took the cheap way out and screwed the pooch. And the customer.

Rather than build the cars that people WANTED, GM, like the liberal left, decided to build what they thought people should buy and have, and attempted to force them on the public. Lo and behold, sales dropped like a stone. Turns out "we know what's best for you and what you should have" is NOT the way to sell mass quantities of product.

The death of the V8 powered rear wheel drive car, whether full size like the Impala or intermediate like the Monte Carlo, is exactly what drives the mass movement to pick up trucks and SUV class vehicles. The entrance of the minivan caused the death of the large rear wheel drive V8 powered station wagon, again making the SUV a bigger seller.

Being a former mechanic, I can tell you I wouldn't have a minivan if you gave me three. I despise those stamped sheetmetal underpowered front wheel drive flimsy trash cans.

The identity crisis at GM continues. There is no pony car, so they surrender that market to the Mustang, despite the fact that the last F body cars produced were light years ahead of the Mustang. There is no full size V8 rear wheel drive car, so they surrender that market, including the police pursuit cruiser segment (all of whom dearly loved the police version of the Impala SS, which ran and drive circles around Ford's Crown Vic) to Ford. As such, they also give up not only the Chevrolet sales in that market, but also the Buick and Oldsmobile sales as well.

When you charge in excess of $30K for your product, you better make it what people WANT, not what YOU think they should have. The only thing saving GM is the truck divisions and their size. The stupidity runs rampant. If they kill the S-10/S-15 in order to sell only the Colorado/Canyon, they'll lose that market as well.

I am a diehard GM kind guy. I own a 1964 Chevy C-10, a 1965 Chevy Corvair Corsa, a 1970 Chevy C-30 (now a K-30 4X4), a 1981 C-30 Crew Cab Dooley, a 1983 Cutlass Supreme (with a 500 HP 455 4 wheel disc brakes and a narrowed 4.11 posi 12 bolt), a 1984 TType Regal (turbo V6), and a 1998 Firebird.

I'd LIKE to have a new truck to replace the old 1981 junker, but $37K is more than I can afford.
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2004, 10:48:42 AM »
All those 4-4-2's are now 'Gold'