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Offline NUKE

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2004, 10:23:33 PM »
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If it helps any, just focus on the actual question. ;)


but the question doesn't make sense and has no bearing on funding the military.

Bush pays taxes the same as Kerry does, only Kerry makes much more money..... why not ask that of Kerry? It just doesnt make sense.

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2004, 10:28:58 PM »
hmm... I'm not talking about those two particular people and what they pay in taxes. I'm talking about the tax cuts in general, and what it had to do with the body armour and the whole flip flop thing wrt Kerry's vote on it.

Yikes...

Damn hard to think with playoff hockey on.

Someone help me out here... or I'll get back to ya tween periods.

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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2004, 10:32:43 PM »
er, for the time being... bear with me on the question despite it "not making sense" and despite it having "no bearing on funding the military".

If you could give your tax rebate up to pay for the troop's body armour, would you?

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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2004, 10:33:35 PM »
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I have been reading and listening to Kerry as a matter of fact. The quote I listed is from Kerry. The ABC interview I saw myself......they grilled Kerry and he responded by attacking Bush.

I don't attack anyone by the way.

Tell me when Bush has said anything negative about any democrat.


You don't attack anyone?  You just attacked Kerry.  The way you spin you should work for the Repugs.  

Are you really Karl Rove?  I will be keeping my eye on you - Karl!

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« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2004, 10:35:22 PM »
nah, Im not gonna argue with you Nash...I have a soft spot for yah, and Im busy building a model :)

I think you have shown you have an open mind and are a creative thinker.  You are the kind of person that eventually finds his own answers after questioning everything. You remind me in some ways of my best friend  in highschool......

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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2004, 10:38:06 PM »
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but the question doesn't make sense and has no bearing on funding the military.

Bush pays taxes the same as Kerry does, only Kerry makes much more money..... why not ask that of Kerry? It just doesnt make sense.


and Bush* got himself a 30k tax cut this year.  MAYBE that big bellybutton tax cut could have kept us from runninig deficits.  MAYBE we could have used some of that to pay off the national debt.

This country is 7 trillion in the hole.  We need to pay that off before we think about giving millionaires an extra porsche this year.

Also you have hit on a fundamental of our tax system that not all people agree with - except the rich.  The tax system taxes income, not WEALTH.  Kerry makes less than Bush* as a US Senator I believe, but he is worth far more because he marries rich chicks.

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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2004, 10:40:49 PM »
In that case....

I demand that you put an easter egg in your plane a la Superfly/Nate and post the pic here.

Why?

no idea, really.... but it'd be cool, no? :)

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2004, 10:56:07 PM »
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It is their patriotic duty to give back to the country that has given so much to them.

If the rich arent going to carry the tax burden who is?  THe poor?  

 


A question... Why do people always use the phrase 'give back' when referring to wealthy people's fiscal obligations to the government. The fact of the matter is, the majority of those in the upper tax bracket are A.) hardly wealthy and B.) Gave up plenty earning what they earned as it is. They worked hard, improving the country in the process of improving their own lives. Successful family businesses create jobs, create wealth and in turn, create even more ways for the government to skim off the top. There was no taking involved.

'Giving Back' is a silly notion that implies that the nation did them a favor, that they took more than their share. The only favor that was done was by them, towards themselves and their families, and as said before, there was no TAKING involved, only CREATION. Whatever debt they owe society can be payable with a tax that applies equally to everyone. They make more, they pay more, but it stays in proportion. Without the proportion, you are effectively discriminating against this group of people. If anything, have a lower tax braket for those who need a break, but not a bigger one, for those you perceive as 'too successful'.

Just because there are nations where financial mobility is impossible is no reason to hold an axe over the necks of successful, hard-working Americans monotonously uttering: 'if it were anywhere else, you'd be raped even worse, so pay up and be happy with what you have'. Yes, there are theives in this class, but they are not representative.

The burden of taxes belongs with everyone. To assume that the top 2% will pay the lion's share is sheer idiocy. First of all, as mentioned above, about 90% of that top 2% are not mega wealthy. Earning 2-300k a year sounds like a lot but it's not gonna get anyone into a mansion or into a Ferrari(at least not without gross mismanagement of funds). Those making over 5 million a year, or more, will always find ways around tax laws. It's one reason why Tax attorneys make a good living. The mega rich can afford to spend in order to spend less, and always will. So, in the end, you're only screwing over the guys that, while in the upper bracket, are still working like dogs to be there... And for what?-- to give half their earnings away in a purely symbolic gesture so that the idiot in office can be seen as a Robin Hood by the masses.

F the high tax brackets.
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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2004, 11:06:59 PM »
Well said.

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2004, 11:08:09 PM »
Er, a question...

Can you put it into the context of the tax rebate, body armour, and Kerry's vote?

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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2004, 11:37:53 PM »
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As long as we're reducing Kerry's voting decisions down to absurd simplicities...

If you were given the choice to keep your tax rebate or donate it to pay for the body armour, which would you choose?

If you choose the body armour, why wouldn't Bush?


Kerry had a choice between body armor for the troops and pleasing his high tax liberal sensibilities. We know which he chose dont we?  He voted against the 87 billion, 60 billon of which was to support the troops in Iraq.

You know it really is as simple as as that. And its not even a matter of black and white thinking, kerry simply chose between the range of possible voting options and ultimately decided against voting in favor of money to support the troops he agreed would go into battle by his earlier vote in the senate.

Send troops into battle and then dont support them...

Thats the definition of a chickenhawk.

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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2004, 11:38:46 PM »
Ahem... Kerry didn't send them into battle.
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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2004, 11:39:36 PM »
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Ahem... Kerry didn't send them into battle.


No Im sure he would still be sitting there thinking about it.

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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2004, 11:40:27 PM »
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Ahem... Kerry didn't send them into battle.


he just voted to let Bush decide if they needed  to be sent to battle, then claimed he didn't.

See a patern here with Kerry?

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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2004, 11:41:10 PM »
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No Im sure he would still be sitting there thinking about it.


With Iraq, that might have been the smarter move. :aok
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