Author Topic: Deserters Flee To Canada..WTG Canada  (Read 957 times)

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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2004, 12:51:51 AM »
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How is he a coward. What he did required more guts then following orders. Sticking labels on people i know little to or nothing about is something i try to avoid.


Okay, the label I make for him is defined as "deserter"...a deserter in time of war. It makes no difference to me what the puss feels is right or wrong, he deserted the military in a time of war and refused to perform his duties.

He should be executed.

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2004, 12:59:16 AM »
Is he considered a desrerter by military law?

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2004, 01:00:13 AM »
He should definitely face punishment.  Killing him seems a bit over the top.  I'm not interested enough in him to read anything about him, so I don't know if he's not going to Iraq due to objections over the war or because he ain't that fond of being shot at.  I don't really care either.  If he stays in Canada, fine.  If he comes back for a visit, he can face the consequences.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2004, 01:15:21 AM »
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Is he considered a desrerter by military law?


It look like it.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl85.htm?once=true&

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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2004, 01:17:20 AM »
Dude says he's a political refugee.  He goes through our system.  If we decide he isn't, then he should be extradited as a criminal...as long as you guys aren't going to kill him.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2004, 08:14:16 AM »
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It takes far more guts to do what he did then to just shut up and follow orders. To actually stand up for what you believe in and basicly throw your life away like that takes some balls.


     He sure didn't mind joining when he thought he was going
to have his education paid for though, nice hero :(
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2004, 08:15:29 AM »
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How is he a coward. What he did required more guts then following orders. Sticking labels on people i know little to or nothing about is something i try to avoid.



     I don't know Stabby, the label "hero" came out quick enough.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2004, 08:28:33 AM »
maybe he prefers being labeled a 'DESERTER' then to die for something he doesn't believe in......

he actually thinks....wow......go brain power!!!!

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2004, 09:28:53 AM »
Slow you are an idiot.

1st they can claim "Conscience Objector" status and refuse to fight.

This aint 1969 and we don't have a "draft".
 
Remember the US Marine, Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk, a few months ago that refused to report to his unit? He said he was against the war in Iraq. Turned out he was Gay

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"I was appalled by the amount of hatred I found in the military," he continued. "The military cultivates anti-gay sentiment among its enlisted but I also believe it perpetuates feelings of hatred against all that are different either culturally, ethnically or otherwise," in order to dehumanize potential enemies.


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"I believe that as a gay man, someone who is misunderstood by much of the general population, I have a great deal of experience with hatred and oppression," Funk wrote.


He is claiming "conscientious objector" status.

The Marines have assigned him to desk duty in San Jose while his case proceeds.

These 2 dumb arses that ran away to Canada for what?

They wont be killed and certainly would not have went to prison.

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Conscientious objector applications, meanwhile, tend to increase during wartime. There were 111 granted during the 1991 Gulf War. 28 were granted last year, military officials said. It's unclear how many such applications have been filed since the Iraq war began, but non-profit groups that counsel people in the military about the process say they've handled more inquiries.

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2004, 09:35:38 AM »
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maybe he prefers being labeled a 'DESERTER' then to die for something he doesn't believe in......

he actually thinks....wow......go brain power!!!!


It isn't merely a label...   It's a criminal offense..

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2004, 10:00:01 AM »
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How is he a coward. What he did required more guts then following orders. Sticking labels on people i know little to or nothing about is something i try to avoid.


If he had guts and believed this war is wrong, he'd have handled it like Muhammed Ali did - stepped up to the plate, refused his orders, and accepted justice, not flee the country in order to evade the issue. That takes no guts at all, its totally self-serving.

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2004, 11:24:34 AM »
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Dude says he's a political refugee.  He goes through our system.  If we decide he isn't, then he should be extradited as a criminal...as long as you guys aren't going to kill him.


Let him go plant some trees up north nekid and save some money.

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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2004, 11:41:12 AM »
You need to punish those that volunteer then desert the military in order to maintain discipline and chain of command.  

Now once selective service (draft) is instituted my feelings change.
If you cant do the job with volunteers then you should not be doing the job.  Involuntary servitude is constitutionally banned.
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2004, 12:01:34 PM »
Yeager is right.  While I can understand why a person would run from a draft (which is still wrong), a person who volunteered and runs just baffles me.
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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2004, 02:52:07 PM »
I have re-read my post a few more times really trying to find where I blamed Canada. I really don't see where I blamed Canada.

  I've read a lil bit and some media in Canada aren't real impressed with them either.

  Resorting to calling me something and telling me not to blame Canada was a bit un warranted IMHO.

  Just my 2 cents
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