Author Topic: Prisoner Abuse (Read 6492 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #135 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:47:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I guess you meant 180 degrees. With 180% I would almost end up where I started.

I hope you understand that just like Vietnam, this is a war of public opinion ... and so far you're losing it.

That's what I mean by the US being held back by public opinion. We need to just prosecute the war in as leathal and effective a manner as possible.

It's sickening how the US military is restrained by public opinion. We need to learn from Israel.....just be ruthless to our enemies until they are all dead or in prison.

No other country on earth is held back by public opinion when they go to war. War is war and needs to be fought and won, not debated.

txmx · « **Reply #136 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:48:16 PM »

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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
I live in a free country that does not require military service unlike your national socialist paradise. I am done arguing, you have no concept of reality.

Yeah ur lucky I dont run this country.
Because every 18 year old would owe there uncle sam 3 years of service.

It Is the least a MAN can do to honor those who died to give us this great country.
But then there will always be the select few who think they are too good to serve yet can call our troops scum before they have even been to trial.

txmx · « **Reply #137 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:49:34 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
That's what I mean by the US being held back by public opinion. We need to just prosecute the war in as leathal and effective a manner as possible.

It's sickening how the US military is restrained by public opinion. We need to learn from Israel.....just be ruthless to our enemies until they are all dead or in prison.

No other country on earth is held back by public opinion when they go to war. War is war and needs to be fought and won, not debated.

Yep all this public opinion is costing way too many fine young Americans lives.

And I am sorry that just pisses me off.

txmx · « **Reply #138 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:59:45 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
It is the public opinion of the Iraqi People you're fighting for. If you lose them you lose the war in Iraq ... and a lot of lives.

You know what I dont think we ever had the Iraqi people on or side!
I mean 5 minutes after we kicked saddumbs butt out of Bagdad they wanted us gone.

Should have been chasing Osama Bin Laden on his Camel named skippy across the desert insteed. just my opinion.

txmx · « **Reply #139 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:00:58 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
It is the public opinion of the Iraqi People you're fighting for. If you lose them you lose the war in Iraq ... and a lot of lives.

And dude one old Vet to another we probably see things much closer than you think LOL.

Tumor · « **Reply #140 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:01:05 PM »

Oh goody, you can google. Well I can too G.

The United States is only bound to the Geneva Convention with contracted parties and with non-contracted parties who accept
Geneva’s terms and conditions. Therefore, no, the United States is not bound to the Geneva Convention

Your point... is moot.

NUKE · « **Reply #141 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:01:38 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
It is the public opinion of the Iraqi People you're fighting for. If you lose them you lose the war in Iraq ... and a lot of lives.

hmmmm, I guess when you compaired the fight for public opinion in the Iraq war to Vietnam, you threw me off. Vietnam was a war lost due to public opinion in the US. The military was restrained and placed in check an dunable to do it's job.

The same thing is happening in Iraq, on a smaller scale.

Tumor · « **Reply #142 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:02:30 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Either you are the good guys or you are not. Which is it?

We are simply the guys you hate... I'm out. Pointless conversation.

txmx · « **Reply #143 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:03:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Oh goody, you can google. Well I can too G.

The United States is only bound to the Geneva Convention with contracted parties and with non-contracted parties who accept
Geneva’s terms and conditions. Therefore, no, the United States is not bound to the Geneva Convention

Your point... is moot.

Yeppers forgot about that one your very right tumor.

txmx · « **Reply #144 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:05:55 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
If that is the case you should cut your losses and leave ... but that will lead to an Iraqi civil war, chaos and devastation ... and a Shiite fundamentalist Iraq. You'd never be forgiven by the Arabs, and Al Qaeda will get an unprecedented influx of recruits.

yep a danged if ya do and danged if ya dont situation huh.

txmx · « **Reply #145 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:15:32 PM »

The bodies of three dead Iraqi prisoners of war lie in the bed of a truck in Baghdad, after they were killed by U.S. MPs in an uprising at Abu Ghraib prison late last year, according to a soldier from the 870th MP (Military Police) unit that supplied this photograph to Reuters. Three U.S. military police who served at Abu Ghraib said on May 6, 2004 that they had witnessed unreported cases of prisoner abuse and that the practice against Iraqis was commonplace. Photo by Reuters (Handout)

Notice it says killed in an uprising.
Just a small detail that has failed to get much press coverage.

Tumor · « **Reply #146 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:55:57 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I assume you can read?

ARTICLE 2
In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

My point stands.

Ok.. I'll respond knowing full well the stupidity of the endevour. Good for you, the Geneva Convention says so.. Bad for you, we the US are not full signators to the agreement. So choke on it Ameerika hater, we are bound only by an organization's concept, not our own will. Further... there's not ****all you can do about it but continue your whiney, sarcastic, uneducated, self-centered, trolling diatribe of hate directed at the United States. I will no longer stoop to attempting to converse with the likes of you GSholze. Your stance is clear, I understand it fully. Further... I find you disgusting and worth no more thought than a common cockroach. Goodbye.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #147 on:** May 07, 2004, 11:05:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Ok.. I'll respond knowing full well the stupidity of the endevour. Good for you, the Geneva Convention says so.. Bad for you, we the US are not full signators to the agreement. So choke on it Ameerika hater, we are bound only by an organization's concept, not our own will. Further... there's not ****all you can do about it but continue your whiney, sarcastic, uneducated, self-centered, trolling diatribe of hate directed at the United States. I will no longer stoop to attempting to converse with the likes of you GSholze. Your stance is clear, I understand it fully. Further... I find you disgusting and worth no more thought than a common cockroach. Goodbye.

Tumor is just another ignoramous apologizing for the acts those scumbags have done in iraq. I have no idea why you are support those jerks and not the troops that have done no wrongs.

Tumor · « **Reply #148 on:** May 07, 2004, 11:55:01 PM »

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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Tumor is just another ignoramous apologizing for the acts those scumbags have done in iraq. I have no idea why you are support those jerks and not the troops that have done no wrongs.

Try a little conceptual reading and you'll find I've not apologized at all for the actions of a few degenerates who took the law into thier own hands. In fact... I agree with the FACT that those responsible, INCLUDING those in thier chain of command should be held responsible ACCORDING TO LAW.. NOT the calling of some snot-nosed Norwegian goofball. Calling for execution is by and large an exercise in stupidity at best, thats the nicest way I have of putting it. I HAVE access to, and I HAVE READ the detailed investigation report(s) (that, oh by the way, were begun long before this so-called outrage came to public knowledge) that covers the allegations. NOTHING that has been brought to public knowledge compares even in a minute manner, those actions conducted against the soldiers of the United States, by those you would compare with these "humiliated" prisoners. NOTHING that has NOT been brought to public knowledge compares.

Want to play the name-game? Ok fine. Me an ignoramus? Well, I have news for you, I am not ignorant of the content of the investigation(s). In fact, I am intimately familiar with it(them). You sir, are in fact ignorant of the FACTS.

Who's the "ignoramus"?

Do you even know the definition of ignorant?

T.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #149 on:** May 08, 2004, 12:01:56 AM »

You are right, i am at fault. I appologize.