Author Topic: US diplomats' letter to Bush (Read 1235 times)

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 05, 2004, 10:46:04 AM »

Ecke-109-
That is a pretty lame statement
There is a big difference between this and what that little tool said about Tillman and this.

These people if it is real are expressing their opinions without pissing on someone’s grave.

Both parties have every right to do what they did, but at least these showed a little class and kept it from being an attack on a dead hero.

Moral posturing from some who’s country gassed 6 million plus people is always amusing though.

(do not give us any of the, that was not my Germany BS, if people on this board can criticize the United States for atrocities that happened over a hundred years ago, I think it is fair to blame the people of Germany for closing their eyes and letting the Nazi’s do what they did These were you grandfathers and grandmothers in all likely hood. )

straffo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 05, 2004, 10:51:54 AM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
(do not give us any of the, that was not my Germany BS, if people on this board can criticize the United States for atrocities that happened over a hundred years ago, I think it is fair to blame the people of Germany for closing their eyes and letting the Nazi’s do what they did These were you grandfathers and grandmothers in all likely hood. )

doesn't this equaly lame ?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2004, 10:58:07 AM »

sure Straffo, a little but no more lame then the guys who hate or think the US is bad because of the indian stuff.

Sandman · « **Reply #18 on:** May 05, 2004, 11:04:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Duedel
Please be carefull with such statements. Even though I'm not a friend of Isreal politcs it is totally wrong to compare this to Nazi Deutschland and u surely know why.
I hate those comparism (they only work with Bush and Hitler ). Isreal is Isreal and Nazis are Nazis.

Sure they are...

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #19 on:** May 05, 2004, 11:49:16 AM »

Nice Wall!!!

lada · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:07:06 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And staga supports the holocaust against the Jewish people... You just want all those awful Jews gone, that puts a twinkle in your cold blue eyes, dont it aryan boy?

If is it for me, i prepared somethink special regarding my eyes

Nashwan · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:27:34 PM »

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"to deny the right of refugees to return to their homeland"

The inclusion of this statement makes the letter very suspicious to me. If the Palestenian refugees were allowed to return to their old homes from the 1940s that would likely mean the end of the state of Israel as a Jewish nation. Thats hardly an impartial or nuanced statemt from these diplomats and is very much in contrast to the reasonable calls for US policy moderation elsewhere in the letter.

The letter says:

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We also are deeply concerned by your April 14 endorsement of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's unilateral plan to reject the rights of three million Palestinians, to deny the right of refugees to return to their homeland, and to retain five large illegal settlement blocs in the occupied West Bank.

I think it's the unilateral nature they object to.

Anyone with any sense knows the right of return is the main thing the Palestinians have to give up in negotiations. In return, territory (the West Bank and Gaza) is the main thing Israel has to give up in negotiations.

Denying the right of return before negotiations means the Palestinians have already conceeded before reaching the table.

It makes peace less likely because the Palestinians can't hope to gain what they need from talks, and Israel is in a position where it feels it can then wring futher concessions from the Palestinians.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:28:31 PM »

all this from a guy who has a UN flag for an avitar. The UN doesnt care about anything else than the UN. It is a worthless body and about as effective as a school crossing guard.

lada · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:34:16 PM »

yes gunslider un doesnt have any claws.

Btw. did note somethink very interesting about date regarding road map this week ?

there were **4** subjects.
1. Us
2. israel
3. UN
*4. EU*

this is probably first time, when Eu represent itself as Eu regarding these matters.

It will be interesting to see what will they try to achieve as Eu.

It remind me same stuff before WW2... "About us, without us.", in Munich

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #24 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:44:30 PM »

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Israel is Israel and Nazis are Nazis.

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Originally posted by Sandman
Sure they are...

I thought it was the commies who made walls.

And the Han Dynasty...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:58:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Duedel
Is this a joke or another proof of ur malfunction?

How come you didnt ask staga the same question?

-MZ- · « **Reply #26 on:** May 05, 2004, 01:13:43 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
About time.
Retired people who have served their countries in government, usually have an enormous amount of experience in their fields and ought to have a collective voice to be heard, whether in opposition to the Government of the day or in support of it.
Ravs

I don't know how it is in the UK, but in the US ambassadors are largely chosen on the basis of how much money they raise for the President's election campaign. They are usually not 'unbiased' civil servants.

Ecke-109- · « **Reply #27 on:** May 05, 2004, 01:49:54 PM »

GtoRA2,
You are mixing up a lot and its hard to take your post serious.

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Moral posturing from some who’s country gassed 6 million plus people is always amusing though.

Thats classy. Dont you have any better arguments? You need to go back 60years in history to just tell me that i better should shut up?
Yes, we gassed, hung up,let starve, killed with bullets and bombs and whatever comes to your mind ..we did it. 6 millions? NO! At least 20 millions died, because we decided to follow the wrong leadership! And we payed a very high price for doing so. And still pay nowadays.
You dont need to be amused about my so called 'moral posturing'.(btw real moral posturing looks different to me)
Dont take it so easy! You need to understand that you cant deny our right to speak out loud. Hey 20 millions dead!! Germany has a first hand experience which you never will have!...hopefully.
My grandpa died in Stalingrad, my grandma which lived in former Prussia had to flee with her little daughter (my mom) from the incoming red army at the very last second.
Believe it or not...we learned our lesson the tough way. As we deserved it and more. We learned a lot through that. we learned i.e. what it means to be responsible. And this gives us the right to speak. Even when someone like you is just 'amused' and never ever will learn anything.

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...if people on this board can criticize the United States for atrocities that happened over a hundred years ago,....

Oh man, you are so sensible. You shure can tell me where i posted something like that?
You must have found a rotten apple around here (no hard task btw) and now judging the whole basket for that? Wake up! That is primitive thinking.
There is a big difference between you and me. I dont blame a whole country because of a couple of rotten apples. Like you do. I only blame the rotten apples. I know so much gentle fellows (americans and others) in the game, that it is impossible for me to blame a whole country because of a few low minded primitive subjects which stick in this rotten forum nothing else to do than feeding their own prejudices. This is part of my responsibility i mentioned above.

I could tell you much more, but i am tired about this. I better go in to the game now and kill someone...yeah..like my grandfathers did.

Ecke
Btw...what is your ingame handle. Or are you only a poster?

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #28 on:** May 05, 2004, 01:54:01 PM »

Nice post Ecke.. Responsibly written.. Salute brother!!

dude

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 05, 2004, 01:58:56 PM »

Ecke,
That was a low blow, on my part, I was in a pissy mood this morning so you got some of that. I know how stupid my post was, but you post just rubbed me the wrong, way cause I did not think the comparisons made sense.

I said 6 million, cause some people denie even that number, (I do not know any germans who do, mostly just american tools. I know the number is much higher as you say)

I am not trying to shut you up, you have as much right as me or anyone to say what you want, lol I just got rubbed the wrong way and trolled/made an bellybutton of myself.

In game handle is GTORA2, and I am a real subscriber, but I have not had much time to play in the last month, since my GF moved away on short notice, and I had to get out of the apartment I was in, all in all the last 30 days or so have been pretty ****ty.... but I can play now and will prolly tonight so if youwant to take me down online thats cool!:D I am pretty damn rusty though.

So I gues since I have never seen anything other then todays post from you that I was anoyed by I was the bigger jerk here, Sorry about that!