Author Topic: Israeli soldier sentenced for manslaughter (Read 1942 times)

Staga · « **on:** May 05, 2004, 05:50:09 AM »

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Kuretsky was found guilty of manslaughter over the killing, was sentenced to six months in prison - though four of them will take the form of community service - and was demoted to the rank of first lieutenant.

Was Hortlund judging in that court ?

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ra · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2004, 07:07:44 AM »

And yet Israel has by far the best system of justice in the entire Middle East.

lazs2 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2004, 07:57:33 AM »

I believe staga hates jews even more than he hates Americans. Imagine how he feels about an American jew.

lazs

Duedel · « **Reply #3 on:** May 05, 2004, 08:05:12 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I believe staga hates jews even more than he hates Americans. Imagine how he feels about an American jew.

lazs

Why do u believe this?

lazs2 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2004, 08:08:44 AM »

was kidding... don't believe staga hates anyone.

lazs

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #5 on:** May 05, 2004, 09:10:41 AM »

Just think, if he were a Palestinian, and had killed a dozen people, he would have been a hero to his people. Then, later, when the Israelis kill him and a couple of his buddies with a rocket attack, the whole world would be furious over this 'political assasination'.

MJHerman · « **Reply #6 on:** May 05, 2004, 11:53:55 AM »

Agree that it is a very light sentence for a manslaughter conviction and probably doesn't send much a message to the rank and file of the IDF.

That said, where is the article which talks about the Palestinian gunmen who have been convicted by the PA judicial system for "recklessly" wiping out the Israeli mom and her kids last week?

lada · « **Reply #7 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:16:40 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
And yet Israel has by far the best system of justice in the entire Middle East.

i disagree on this one

lada · « **Reply #8 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:18:34 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I believe staga hates jews even more than he hates Americans. Imagine how he feels about an American jew.

lazs

neg. he post facts and he expect some discussion, may be your point of view or defense

but you have no idea how to react, but callinghim jew hater or usa hater.

dont worry ... you are not the only one

MJHerman · « **Reply #9 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:23:45 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
i disagree on this one

Because.........?

lada · « **Reply #10 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:26:04 PM »

because there are countries with much more sophisticated *criminal* law in ME that Israel have

lada · « **Reply #11 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:27:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
was kidding... don't believe staga hates anyone.

lazs

i do not agree again..

i belive he hates his financial controler ....

coz its nature

MJHerman · « **Reply #12 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:29:26 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
because there are countries with much more sophisticated *criminal* law in ME that Israel have

Such as......?

lada · « **Reply #13 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:58:57 PM »

iran have much better criminal law that Israel.

if you do not consider 2 months in prison and 4 months of public services to be proper charge per murder of civilian whitch has happen at late 2002.

Law system, where it takes 2 years to put some into the jail for 2 months per murder is in my opinion pretty funny.

what makes you to think its best ?

this link is from same page, whitch staga posted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3685501.stm

MJHerman · « **Reply #14 on:** May 05, 2004, 01:09:24 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
iran have much better criminal law that Israel.

if you do not consider 2 months in prison and 4 months of public services to be proper charge per murder of civilian whitch has happen at late 2002.

Law system, where it takes 2 years to put some into the jail for 2 months per murder is in my opinion pretty funny.

what makes you to think its best ?

this link is from same page, whitch staga posted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3685501.stm

Lada,

I don't know enough about legal systems other than those which follow the Western model (such as Israel's) so let me ask you this:

1. Does Iranian law have a concept of innocent until proven guilty?

2. Does Iranian law protect fundamental freedoms of the accused, such as the right to counsel, a right against self incrimination, a right against unreasonable search and seizure, a right to a jury trial, protections against forced/unreliable confessions, a right to a speedy hearing before an impartial tribunal, etc.

3. Is there an appeal process under Iranian law?

4. What is the typical punishment for manslaughter under Iranian law (the IDF soldier was not convicted of murder)?

Basically, if you think that countries can do better that the Israeli justice system, then the same must be said for the justice system of every liberal democracy. So does that mean that you would prefer the Iranian legal system to the US, Canadian or UK legal system as well?