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Offline BigGun

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« on: May 06, 2004, 10:54:03 AM »
Was watching on the news a group of protestors in Iraq, protesting the US being there. It just struck me as odd, if US wasn't there they would never be able to protest anything without a bullet in the head. Ironic.

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2004, 11:22:34 AM »
In fact they were protesting against US invasion without getting any "bullets in their heads".

I see irony in a different thing. US declared that they were "liberating" Iraqi people from "evil dictator" who opressed and tortured them. Now they torture Iraqis themselves...

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2004, 11:27:18 AM »
I wondered a similar thing about the whole "torture" of the prisoners thing.

If any of those captive insurgents had been "guests" of Sadaam in an Iraqi prison where torture was a daily thing they must have been thinking "Is this all they are going to do to us?  What a bunch of pansies."
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2004, 11:30:41 AM »
Boroda,

You amaze me.  Just wondering, would you rather be in the hands of the Russian police, in a Russian jail, or in the hands of the American Military, in a military jail?

We see on our television from time to time films of Russian police in action.  Yeah, it's all pretty there.   Hell, I think the treatment at the hands of Iraqi Insurgents would be nicer than the Russians.

Try not to ignore history and the extremely high count of Russian atrocities.  

And of course, Stalin was a sweetheart of a guy.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2004, 11:31:24 AM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
In fact they were protesting against US invasion without getting any "bullets in their heads".

I see irony in a different thing. US declared that they were "liberating" Iraqi people from "evil dictator" who opressed and tortured them. Now they torture Iraqis themselves...


If that's what you call torture, I guess I was worried about the Red Menace all those years for nothing!

From the pictures and details I've gotten, that's what we call "Fraternity Hazing".

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2004, 11:53:21 AM »
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I see irony in a different thing. US declared that they were "liberating" Iraqi people from "evil dictator" who opressed and tortured them. Now they torture Iraqis themselves...


Could be worse I guess - like charred bodies hanging from a bridge.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2004, 11:59:31 AM »
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Boroda,

You amaze me.  Just wondering, would you rather be in the hands of the Russian police, in a Russian jail, or in the hands of the American Military, in a military jail?


Definetly I'll prefer Russian Militia to a concentration camps built by occupants.

Our militia is corrupt, it is ineffective, I don't like that bastards in grey uniforms, but they don't torture people and don't make pictures of tortures for fun, like nazis did.

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We see on our television from time to time films of Russian police in action.  Yeah, it's all pretty there.   Hell, I think the treatment at the hands of Iraqi Insurgents would be nicer than the Russians.


Yes, on your television you were told that Russians are all criminals and eat little babies alive. I love your propaganda.

I saw some of the films about our Militia. I loved the comments. They make you believe that special forces capturing armed criminals is what we have here every time someone gets arrested.

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Try not to ignore history and the extremely high count of Russian atrocities.  

And of course, Stalin was a sweetheart of a guy.


You know, I was not surprised when I heard the news about tortures in Iraq. Song Mi, you know...

In Stalin's times we had two times less people in prisons then in 1999... Please stop speaking about things that you don't know.

I just wonder - does anyone still believe in American "good intentions" in Iraq?

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2004, 12:01:57 PM »
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Could be worse I guess - like charred bodies hanging from a bridge.


You mean you need to use German experience from Belorussia?!

This is crazy... :(

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2004, 12:07:50 PM »
Boroda will you ever get over Communisms failure and Russia losing the cold war?

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2004, 12:09:18 PM »
Ah, so the Gulag was just a Russian Vacation resort!  Right on Boroda, glad you straightened that out! ;)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/gula.html

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2004, 12:09:54 PM »
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Boroda will you ever get over Communisms failure and Russia losing the cold war?


That would be a big NEGATIVE.

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2004, 12:10:12 PM »
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You mean you need to use German experience from Belorussia?!

This is crazy... :(
eerrr....ya, WTF?

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2004, 12:21:16 PM »
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Yes, on your television you were told that Russians are all criminals and eat little babies alive. I love your propaganda.


Actually, I never heard or saw a TV show saying all Russians were criminals, or that you ate babies, but maybe you were hiding something.  Every trip I have made to the fromer SU, I found most people to be very nice, hospitable, and good all around people.  With the exception of our "military escort" who were corrupt and sadistic bastards, the people there were great.  The only "bad" thing I ever heard about the USSR was the obvious, your government was corrupt, did not believe in human rights, and generally oppressed the masses so that a few could live in luxury.

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I saw some of the films about our Militia. I loved the comments. They make you believe that special forces capturing armed criminals is what we have here every time someone gets arrested.


The only "anti-Russian" film I ever saw was Red Dawn, and that was so far fetched I laughed.  Personally the only police I saw in my visits drove around in Black Zil's and looked like police.  Maybe they had there RPG's and RPK's hidden. LOL

 
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You know, I was not surprised when I heard the news about tortures in Iraq. Song Mi, you know...


So, 25 people act like animals, and now the whole of the American Army is sadistic torturers...  come on Boroda, your anti-US goggles are blinding you.  It is wrong of those few, but they will be punished, you can be very sure of that.  They (the soldiers who did this) gave the US Army a black eye, but you can be sure they will pay severely, especially with the president's attention fixed on them.  As for torture and carnage wrecked on a population, need we remind you of the USSr's policies in Afganistan???  I seem to remeber bombs in toys distributed amongst the Afgani population by your Army that maimed and killed thousands of CHILDREN.  Not to mention your wonderous propesity for "electrically" interogating prisoners.  I have someone who would love to meet you, he is a close friend who lives in the states, but had been captured by your forces over there.  He has false teeth, because he crushed his while be electrocuted by Russian Army personnel who were questioning him.  So don't lecture US about atrocities, when you could write a book on it from your recent history.

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In Stalin's times we had two times less people in prisons then in 1999... Please stop speaking about things that you don't know.


Well I guess a bullet in the base of the skull would definitely keep your prison population down... ask Stalin's former regime, they perfected the art.


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I just wonder - does anyone still believe in American "good intentions" in Iraq?


I do, and I know more than 65% of the recent Iraqui poll does too.  I am sure if you talked to less Baathists, and more Suni Muslims and Kurds who were severly oppressed, you might find the number is quite high.  But you are morethan welcome to listen to liberally biased press, it is guaranteed to make you look like the stooge you look like now.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2004, 12:24:21 PM »
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Ah, so the Gulag was just a Russian Vacation resort!  Right on Boroda, glad you straightened that out! ;)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/gula.html


Rip, you have a bad habbit of putting words in my mouth. I'll never say it was a "vacation resort". My Grandfather spent two years in BAMLag, 1933-34.

Nice article. As many lies as usual.

By 1934 the Gulag, or Main Directorate for Corrective Labor Camps, then under the Cheka's successor organization the NKVD, had several million inmates.

GULAG population reached one million prisoners in 1940. I'll not read it any further, sorry. Standard anticommunist sheise. Your propaganda didn't use imagination, it simply copies Goebbels's lies.

I thought we were talking about irony, not about how evil all Russians are... :rolleyes:

Oh, sorry, looked at the "letter to Bolshevik" at the page you gave. There is nothing common between the original letter and translation. Beautiful propaganda work, beautiful. I love your methods.

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2004, 12:39:34 PM »
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl  Comedy gold Boroda!!!!  


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