Author Topic: CT Arena Change: disabling external views for bombers (Read 2191 times)

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #30 on:** May 09, 2004, 05:47:22 PM »

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Originally posted by PropNut
Whats this Batz? "Usually its 1 fighter vrs 1 group of Bombers" I see you dont fly buffs much....its not unsual for 3 or 4 fighters to be on you at one time. Hitech put external viewa on the buffs for one reason "visability" because you cant have a crew of 10 watching like AW had and because he chose not to enable "Otto" gunning (thank God) . Its a very good balance .. Im sure the lines will be drawn between the Buff pilots and the fighter pilots that would like some easy kills or are tired of getting killed chasing a buff. (thats the only reason for the change) Maybe we should just change the name to FBT "Furrball Theater"

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Maybe we should just change the name to FBT "Furrball Theater

About damnn time it should be!

Grits · « **Reply #31 on:** May 09, 2004, 05:48:42 PM »

Count me solidly in the "I hate buffs because they shoot me down too often" camp, but I could not care less one way or the other if they have external views. I dont have any problem lining up with targets and I never use the external views, and I dont even fly buffs but rarely.

If the buff guys say they want them then leave them in, not a big deal to me, I mostly ignore buffs anyway now because of the lazer gunnners.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #32 on:** May 09, 2004, 05:50:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Count me solidly in the "I hate buffs because they shoot me down too often" camp, but I could not care less one way or the other if they have external views. I dont have any problem lining up with targets and I never use the external views, and I dont even fly buffs but rarely.

If the buff guys say they want them then leave them in, not a big deal to me, I mostly ignore buffs anyway now because of the lazer gunnners.

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I mostly ignore buffs anyway now because of the lazer gunnners

...and is why they dont need external view. Once they do see you, ur dead!

Shane · « **Reply #33 on:** May 09, 2004, 07:06:34 PM »

learn to attack them properly.

that hawk, always looking for a way to expose himself to the least risk.

Grits · « **Reply #34 on:** May 09, 2004, 07:15:57 PM »

Admittedly, most of my deaths to buffs are my fault for attacking from the wrong area. If they happen to be in the right position when I see them I make a pass or two, if they are not I move on to the next dot on the horizon.

Slash27 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:04:13 AM »

Id rather have them but try it for a week, seems the fair thing to do.

daddog · « **Reply #36 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:48:45 PM »

Like many here I would rather you keep the "exernal view" for buffs allowed. Tough as it is to find players who will fly buffs, now I think we might see even less. It is a help to the buff pilots to be sure.

Odd though, I never use external view to line up on a target. I just use the clipboard zoomed in and then in the bomb sites I look for the target.

My two cents.

gear · « **Reply #37 on:** May 10, 2004, 04:08:52 PM »

Just use them as really BIG dive bombers.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #38 on:** May 10, 2004, 07:26:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
learn to attack them properly.

that hawk, always looking for a way to expose himself to the least risk.

I dont attack bombers very often but when I do........

Well shane go look up my stats before you post.
Stats earlier than February are for LtMagee.

August 03 - May 2004

1. Ki-67 (36 Kills 1 Loss)
2. Ju-88 (131 Kills 8 Losses)
3. B-17 (48 Kills 12 Losses)
4. A-20 (16 Kills 3 Losses)
5. Lancaster (7 Kills 1 Loss)
6. B-26 (8 Kills 2 Losses)

Total: 246 Kills 27 Losses

Shane · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2004, 08:30:57 PM »

so why are you whining about buff's external views?

lets find out. unless you just screened for the ftr kills.... but read on anyway.

aug

23 kills of boston, 14 in gun, 6 in osti
3 ju87's 2 in la7 1 in m16
24 ju88's 4 in gv's rest in hvy cannon planes, 1 in a spit1
18 ki67's 15 in ship/gv
10 tbm's all in planes

sep

41 ju88's 19 in gun/gv rest in fighters (most in p38 - 15)
53 ki67's 46 in ship gun, 7 in f4u(1d)'s

oct

8 b26's - all in f4u1-d's
10 ju88's 5 in gv's 5 in ftrs (38/la5)
5 ki67's 3 in gv, 2 in 38/f6

nov

10 ju88's 2 in m16, rest in 40b/e and 38
1 ki67 1 in gv

lets skip to past 2 months

mar

33 ju88's 10 in gv/gun rest in spit5/9 jug25 and 38
40 ki67's 37 in ship gun 3 in f4u/38

apr

13 a20's (first time u've gotten any) 6 in gun/gv rest in spit9/niki/51

0 b26 died once to one.
14 ju88's 5 in ship gun, 5 in spit9 2in la5
14 ki67's 8 in ship gun/gv, 3 in tiff, 2 in mossie, 1 in 51b

as you can see most of your buff kills come from guns/gv or heavily armed planes, usually with cannon . i didn't bother checking the deaths.

now i can understand your whining better in the proper context.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #40 on:** May 10, 2004, 09:08:41 PM »

Shane you are a freaking idiot. Your statement wasnt for total all kills of buffs. We were refering to fighter kills and External views.

Here wait, words right from your own mouth...
"learn to attack them properly".

I do attack them properly. My fighter vs bomber stats prove it.

Shane · « **Reply #41 on:** May 10, 2004, 09:53:18 PM »

so then why are you whining about their external views?

why not fly offline and kill the ai drones with impunity - is this the kind of "action" you're looking for? zero risk?

if you bothered to read, you 'd see i said you might have screened only ftrs and i went on to point out that you usually only go for them with heavily armed cannon planes.

and probably wait til the buff is focused on a squaddie and you swoop down for the kill as they fall flaming to earth alongside of the buffs you picked off.

but let's pick apart the ki67's since you're so impressive with your k/d on them.

aug 3 kills 2 deaths (f4u1 an dp40b)
sep 7 kills 0 deaths (f4u1- and 1d)
oct 2 kills 0 deaths (f6 and p38)
nov 0 kills 0 deaths
dec 8 kills 1 death (p47d30 and f4u1 and -1d)
jan 0 kills 0 deaths
feb 5 kills 0 deaths (p38)
mar 3 kills 0 deaths (p38, f4u-1)
apr 6 kills 3 deaths (mossie, tiff, 51b)
may 0 kills 0 deaths to date.

let's see...

34 kills 6 deaths seems your math is a little off. , from a 35:0 to a 5.75:1 ratio. still not bad at all.

lets take a look at the more interesting b17 stats..

jan 25 kills 4 deaths all kills in me262/163 and 2 deaths 0 kills in spit9/ki-61 and 2 deaths. where'd the other 23 b17 kills 8 deaths come from? MA? ahh yes you're 16:7 vs them in MA going back to tour 24 (earliest tour on innomin8's stats page.) in any case, 41-11 - from a 4:1 k/d down to 3.72:1!! close enough for gubmint work.

the point remains, you attacked them with either cannon or 6+ .50's, most likely coming in fast from on high - which is the proper tactic. (but again how many squaddies died to distract those "all seeing death ray buffs?")

PropNut · « **Reply #42 on:** May 10, 2004, 10:19:37 PM »

Hey..... while were at it can we do something about those damn manned field acks???

I kinda hate being killed by those.. and with tracers off its almost a cheat!!!! Can we disable tracers "off"? And those Tigers...I always hate to see one of those roll in to town. maybe we can get rid of them too? And P-6E why would you want buffs to be an easier kill if you already know how to attack one? wouldnt that be unfulfilling? Maybe we all just need a big keg of beer and we can all sit around and hug on each other and figure out we dont need to be killing each other anyway .....after all theres always online Bingo, its not nearly as violent and doesnt have half the whining. I say leave it as Hitech designed it and the day he changes it we can all learn to live with it then.

Grits · « **Reply #43 on:** May 10, 2004, 10:53:55 PM »

(...Grits sees PropNut coming around the corner heading to the front door of the Pilots Lounge. There are two identical PropNuts walking with him, one on each side and a bit behind, and all three look like the are heading for trouble. Grits decides he is going to need some backup, turns around and the only other ones there are Shane and Hawk slugging it out in the corner near the bathrooms.)

Grits: "Damnit you too, Prop is IB, he's gonna be here in no time and we need a plan! OK, this is what we'll do, as he gets inside, you guys distract him from the sides and I'll jump on him when he's not looking."

Shane: "Grits, you moron, thats not how you attack PropNut! Ever heard of the TA? Go make use of it."

Hawk: "Yeah Grits, thats way too risky."

(So, in lieu of help, Grits does the last thing that PropNut will expect, and thats to attack from behind him where surely he cant see anyone coming. Grits circles around behind and is just about to....BAM!)

Grits: "Hey, how did I get to the tower?"

Slash27 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 10, 2004, 11:55:42 PM »

Can we disable tracers "off"?

Im pretty sure the manned ack tracers are always off.