Iraq is not part of the war on terror!

[ravells]

??? my posts are getting moved to other threads?

Ravs

[lada]

Originally posted by ravells
What is your solution, lada?

Ravs

Strictly public enquiry, and not things like " What you have seen untill today is nothing compare to stuff on my table" .. something like this said Minister of Defense if im not wrong.

Courts should be public and shoud be hold in Iraq, only to show people, what doest justice mean, instead of promising blah blah blah on TV.
Thats all from my trough on your question Ravs.


We are public, politics are here for us, they are here to server us. They are not our smarter parents whitch will chose what we should and what we shouldnt know. Sutch ways has been used by communist, nazi`s and many other authoritative regimes.

Politics, whitch wants to appear as smart parents are nothing more that useless POS.

[ravells]

You must forgive some of our American cousins...who are naturally a bit defensive about this. Nevertheless (and I find this a comforting thought) all of the Americans on this BBS are repelled by the prisoner abuses.

The Americans have already said that the first trial will be public. (not a show trial, ho! ho! ho!) but of course it has to be a show trial. My guess is that the guy will plead guilty and there'll be lots of mumbo jumbo procedure and he'll be chucked into prison for awhile.  Anyone who believes that 'due procedure' is being followed in this after those pictures broke is being naive.

Nobody is saying that the Americans are our 'smarter parents' although I agree, from time to time there are some arrogant Americans on this BBS. But they are not representative of most of the Americans who I have met who are really decent people.

Every country has its fair share of problems (I believe in yours it's corruption on vast scale) but we have to deal with them.

But let me ask you this. If America was not the military superpower in the world.....who would you choose as the alternative?

Ravs

[Nash]

There was this guy on CNN last night. Psych Professor at Stanford. Wish I could remember his name.

Amazing story...

In '73 he set up a test of what happens to people in prison. He had a mock one built, and got a bunch of test subjects signed up. He says he did extensive background checks and personality tests on all of them to make sure they were all pretty much decent people.

He divided half into prisoners, the other half into guards. The test was to last 14 days.

He had to pull the plug after 6. "It just got out of hand."

Then he goes on to talk about the deterioration, and it's mindblowing how much it mirrors the acts that took place in Iraq. I mean, amazing simularities. Bags on heads, making the prisoners simulate ghey sex, and on.... the parallels were remarkable. Act for act.

In the post-study debrief, he found that the guards quickly began to see the prisoners as no better than animals. Something you hear from the guards in Iraq.

If I remembered the guy's name I could maybe find the 'zact study on the net. It could shine some light on the episode in Iraq.

I was never of the opinion that this was a "US is evil" situation. More like "the few bad apples"". Now I'm thinking even good apples, given the proper circumstance.

[Westy]

here you go Nash...

http://www.prisonexp.org/

[ravells]

I think that's pretty accurate Nash. We are all really adaptable and peer group pressure is a strong thing (q.v. Men in Groups by Lionel Tiger) But people are not going to remember his study. They are going to remember the pictures.

Ravs

[Nash]

You rule Westy thanks!

[ravells]

Just watched it...you do rule, Westy

Ravs

[lada]

Originally posted by ravells


Nobody is saying that the Americans are our 'smarter parents' although I agree, from time to time there are some arrogant Americans on this BBS. But they are not representative of most of the Americans who I have met who are really decent people.


But let me ask you this. If America was not the military superpower in the world.....who would you choose as the alternative?

Ravs

smart parents were related to Politics, not to people on BBS

And to your send question.
I would pick someone who can be neutral.
So we have few hardcore army here.
US, China, Russian  ... all crappy options, all are somehow rivals

so i would vote for aliance from their raws and other can join.
It will give Force more credibility and chance that it will not be turned into private diseaster of 1 corrupted subject. They will watch each other and they will find way how to stay in balance.

I guess we have sutch organization
There were some corruption as well few weeks ago. But as we could see, there were no problem with fixing things, coz rivals pushed on fixing in raws of the others..

got my point ?

[ravells]

sorry, I don't understand 'raws' ... mistranslation?

Ravs

[lada]

Originally posted by Nash
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I was never of the opinion that this was a "US is evil" situation. More like "the few bad apples"". Now I'm thinking even good apples, given the proper circumstance.

Apple is history, PC@x86 rule the world.... just accept it

[lada]

Originally posted by ravells
sorry, I don't understand 'raws' ... mistranslation?

Ravs

its more likely brain malfunction on my side..... man 2:50 A.M here... im pretty porked, i dont control fingers that well anymore.....
will try to fix it.. probably tomorow

[ravells]

best to bed then!

take care, lada.

Ravs

[Nash]

That's what I was thinking, ravells.

Dunno what it is but it sounds cool, especially his earlier use of it: "and nobody gave a raw over here."

Gonna try and incorporate it into my vocab... just to keep people on their toes.

[lada]

Guys you are doomed you have no phantasy

raw were supposed to be row