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strk · « **on:** May 14, 2004, 08:21:53 PM »

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1135796/posts

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/bush.kerry/index.html

Support for Bush plummets over Iraq (Zogby Poll: Iraq approval 36%, job approval 42%)

Poll: Support for Bush, Iraq war dropping
Kerry leads Bush in matchups

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2004, 08:46:16 PM »

Hey, you can look at the bright spot though.

At least he isn't John Kerry.

Oh, I forgot, you like that joker. Sorry, hope your party finds someone better.

strk · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2004, 08:50:50 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Hey, you can look at the bright spot though.

At least he isn't John Kerry.

Oh, I forgot, you like that joker. Sorry, hope your party finds someone better.

the feeling is mutual. and soon

NUKE · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:01:09 PM »

posting links without commenting on them is pointless. The only meaning I saw in the first post was : "hey, let me parrot some news that I was happy about"

strk · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:10:00 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
posting links without commenting on them is pointless. The only meaning I saw in the first post was : "hey, let me parrot some news that I was happy about"

the point is in the header. Do you need a wall of text to get the message?

NUKE · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:20:16 PM »

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Originally posted by strk
the point is in the header. Do you need a wall of text to get the message?

If you post a link, make a comment on it and give an opinion so someone like me can come and debate with you about whatever point you are trying to make. Otherwise it's just parroting news and does not communicate anything unique, that's all.

Steve · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:23:17 PM »

Why did the dems not like Lieberman? He seemed the most centered of all the candidates.

Note: Please, this is not a troll, but an honest question.

strk · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:26:56 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
If you post a link, make a comment on it and give an opinion so someone like me can come and debate with you about whatever point you are trying to make. Otherwise it's just parroting news and does not communicate anything unique, that's all.

ok

Nash · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:27:14 PM »

I think it's because the Dems naturally want to win.

If Lieberman came out fresh in this campaign, then maybe.

But Lieberman = Gore.

Superficial? Welcome to the world of professional politics.

strk · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:31:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
I think it's because the Dems naturally want to win.

If Lieberman came out fresh in this campaign, then maybe.

But Lieberman = Gore.

Superficial? Welcome to the world of professional politics.

Lieberman is a sanctimonious bore. He is also pretty far to the right for a connecticut senator. He is most like Zell Miller imo

I think the dems need to go their progressive base, and not try to pander to the middle. Excite the base and Nader would not be peeling off 5% and Kerry would have been 5-7 points ahead weeks ago.

THe GOP showed that this worked - they play to their base and they take care of their base - they dont give them everything they want but will throw em a bone. Dems practically ignore the progressives which is the heart of the party imo

and Lieberman ain't no progressive

Nash · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:36:14 PM »

Hmm... I think the Dems appeal is that they are centrist. If you get both parties flying way out on a tangent, what's left for the regular, sane, normal people? You know, the majority of Americans.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:41:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Hmm... I think the Dems appeal is that they are centrist. If you get both parties flying way out on a tangent, what's left for the regular, sane, normal people? You know, the majority of Americans.

Centrist?

You are aware of course that your own political viewpoints impart a bias when considering what is centrist... So as a liberal, I think you are far too generous in describing the current Democratic party as centrist.

In fact it is not and neither is the republican party.

Most Americans are in between and most reject the extreme and unrepresentative special intrest groups that drive both parties.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:44:50 PM »

I still think that if Edwards had won the primary, the republicans would have lost the election without blinking an eye.

But then again, people felt catchup was more important.

strk · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:45:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Hmm... I think the Dems appeal is that they are centrist. If you get both parties flying way out on a tangent, what's left for the regular, sane, normal people? You know, the majority of Americans.

roughly you could split up the US po into thirds, with a third on the left and right and the third in the middle. The middle third ends up deciding things but the reasons they vote the way they do is imo for more selfish, as opposed to ideological reasons.

RWers of course, consider selfishness to be an idealogy, but I digress.

Im thinking its better to turn out 100% of your base, and this is something that the dems are not doing - evidence of this is Nader running to the left of everything, taking 5%

NUKE · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:47:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Hmm... I think the Dems appeal is that they are centrist. If you get both parties flying way out on a tangent, what's left for the regular, sane, normal people? You know, the majority of Americans.

I don't think they are centrists at all Nash.

For me, I could care less about any party as a whole, I focus on the person in question and their convictions.

It would be interesting if there were no parties to label people with.