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Offline StabbyTheIcePic

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« on: May 15, 2004, 07:27:03 PM »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20040515/ts_nm/iraq_abuse_pentagon_dc_5

He may not have abused the prisoners himself, but he approved the methods that led to it.

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2004, 07:40:05 PM »
nope.

If rummy resigns its because he is the guy in charge.

When some little elfish freak of an imp from WV and her minion of sadistic perverts from the reserves and some greater than GAWD intell people got horny its not rummies fault and its not the fault of his dicta of persuasion either.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2004, 07:42:33 PM »
You must be very naive to think that the top man has personal knowledge of everything those under him do on a daily basis. There is no purpose to be solved by his resignation other than to hinder the war effort. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2004, 07:47:36 PM »
What a stupid POS aticle that is. Naturally they want him to step down. Someone has to take the hit. And none of the other Aholes in office want to get mud on them. And most of all it couldnt have been due to the incompitent full of emotion soldiers that were involved. Ok wait a minute, I am sorry I forgot,  he implemented the training of soldiers on how to strip down POWs and tie a leash to them while dry humping the pile of POWs. What that select group of idiots did was on their own free will. No one held a gun to their heads, and I highly doubt they were acting under orders of the US Govt let alone Rumsfeld...

Do you really think for one minute that this one man knows every single detail of what is going on not only in this country but through out the entire world?! Common man... Most of what we know is due to a chain of intel. He couldnt have known, and didnt know this was going on when it was. Its due to fools like the one that wrote that article that we are where we are now. Dam the media... Bunch of bias hypocritical Aholes.

I have no sympathy for them. These POWs. What our troops did was wrong and there is no denying that fact. But I'll be damned if Im going to sit here and sulk for them. They are where they are because they chose to follow an animal and kill for him.

Now, after its out in the open we make enemies out of people on our own soil who we voted into office and whome chose to fight for our country, the United States of America, and most of all for a natural born right every human is entitled to. Freedom.

A sad state of affairs the human race is in right now. And it looks like it will only get worse before it ever begins to get better.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2004, 07:56:02 PM »
Dudes, it's The New Yorker magazine.   That's where Dick Cavett gets his jokes.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2004, 08:46:25 PM »
Hmm wonder about this.

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Democrats calling for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation invoke the principle of ministerial responsibility: a Cabinet secretary must take ultimate responsibility for what happens on his watch. Interesting idea. Where was it in 1993 when the attorney general of the United States ordered the attack on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, which ended in the deaths of 76 people?

  Janet Reno went to Capitol Hill and said, "It was my decision, and I take responsibility." This was met with approving swoons and applause. Was she made to resign? No. And remember: This was over an action that did not just happen on her watch but that she ordered -- an action that resulted in the deaths of, among others, more than 20 children.


I'ts a damn good thing no one was abused there.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2004, 10:39:26 PM »
Guys, everytime Rumsfeld has sneezed wrong, they've asked for his resignation.  


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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2004, 11:44:03 PM »
at the airshow we were talkin about starting our own write in group that will vote for rumsfeld:) .
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2004, 12:14:52 AM »
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The rules governing the secret operation were "grab whom you must. Do what you want," the unidentified former intelligence official told the New Yorker.

Rumsfeld left the details of the interrogations to Cambone, the article quoted a Pentagon consultant as saying.

"This is Cambone's deal, but Rumsfeld and Myers approved the program," said the Pentagon consultant in the article.



IF (and thats a damn big 'IF') the allegations in this article are true then a resignation wouldn't be enough.

it's no secret that I'm not a Rumsfeld fan.  I'd love to see him out of office even more than I'd like to see Bush gone.  I've tried to give the benefit of the doubt to him and Bush when this story broke, and still don't think theres enough evidence for anybody to be calling for resignations (yet), but every day it looks a bit worse for Rumsfeld.

if it comes out as fact that he gave free-reign, to do "whatever you want" in interrogations,  then he should be looking at some serious prison time.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2004, 01:46:18 AM »
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I have no sympathy for them. These POWs. What our troops did was wrong and there is no denying that fact. But I'll be damned if Im going to sit here and sulk for them. They are where they are because they chose to follow an animal and kill for him.

Unfortunately Morph, 70-90% of the people rounded up were wrongly arrested and released after the abuse was used to 'soften them up' before interrogation.

Up to 90% were arbitrarily detained and that is the greater problem since these thousands of wrongly arrested and imprisoned people will forever hate the U.S. for the treatment they received and will pass on their hatred to everyone they know.

I am absolutely certain that if every male in your family were detained without cause and subjected to the same abuse, you would forever hate those who did it to you. Especially if those doing it were your local police who you thought were there to protect you.

I think the recently published caricature of Rumsfeld gives cause to consider his performance.

On WMD, he was wrong.
On troops requirements, he was wrong.
On post-invasion occupation planning, he was wrong.
On cost, he was wrong.
On setting the proper command atmosphere, he was wrong.

I fail to see how this warrants a 'superb' job performance evaluation by his boss.

Others have characterized my political tendency to be just slightly right of Atilla the Hun, and I think Rumsfeld should be fired.

Henry Kissinger, who can hardly be called a liberal, long ago characterized Donald Rumsfeld as a scary person. He said that Rumsfeld was a person totally without a conscience and conscience is what makes people take the high road and the long view.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2004, 02:13:39 AM »
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Originally posted by Yeager

When some little elfish freak of an imp from WV and her minion of sadistic perverts from the reserves and some greater than GAWD intell people got horny its not rummies fault and its not the fault of his dicta of persuasion either.


okok I might need a translator for this bit....

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2004, 02:45:33 AM »
Im taking up a collection for a one way ticket for stabbytheicepick to go to the peoples republic of europe care to donate?
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2004, 06:13:56 AM »
txmx - I am confused by your sig. I thought you were Jewish...?

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2004, 10:22:03 AM »
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Im taking up a collection for a one way ticket for stabbytheicepick to go to the peoples republic of europe care to donate?


at this point in the game it'd be cheaper to fly out those who are in support of the way our country's been headed in the last 3 years.  they could take Bush, Rumsfeld,  and their fluff'n patriot act with them.  

we could probably just charge the cost to the rest of the deficit they've created too(it'd hardly be noticed when added to that tab), though I doubt you could talk them into taking responsibility for their actions and taking that deficit with them.

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2004, 10:29:55 AM »
Again simpletons.  There is no scandle here.  As soon as this was reported to the proper people an investigation was started.  Currently their are SIX seperate investigations currently taking place.  The only reason pople want rumsfeld to resign is cause they dont care how much they hurt the country or step on toes they want Bush gon.  This is political plain and simple.

Funniest part is Rumsfeld has a 70% aproval rating.  Good luck getting a resignation.