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Offline Chairboy

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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2004, 10:48:51 PM »
Data of interest: http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/reserves/

Just under 700 million barrels in US reserves.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2004, 11:27:42 PM »
Those are war reserves for desperate times.  You ladies realize that in adjusted dollars, we are paying less than in the 1950s for a gallon of gas?

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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2004, 11:31:52 PM »
we're paying a heck of a lot less for 'puters too.... but what does that actually mean?

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2004, 11:40:41 PM »
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You ladies realize that in adjusted dollars, we are paying less than in the 1950s for a gallon of gas?


Yeah,  but I bet they beetched about it too. :)
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2004, 11:44:32 PM »
save it.  if you really want to reduce your dependence on foreign oil the best way to do that is to use as much of theirs as possible and hang on to our own (both in reserve and in the ground).

to use up our own reserves while not doing anything to reduce consumption just puts us more under the thumb of suppliers.

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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2004, 11:45:52 PM »
I'll be dead before they run out of gasoline.

It's SUV from here on out. :p
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2004, 11:52:42 PM »
Goes without saying I'm really lacking when it comes to numbers and the economy...

But hows about this?

Use the reserves when the price of foreign oil is high, pass a % of those savings on to the consumer, and use the money y'all save by not buying expensive foreign oil to refill your reserves when the price drops back down?

I know I'm missing something here...

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2004, 05:17:54 AM »
just a couple of flaws that I see.

1.  what would make you think any savings in price would ever make it to the consumer?

2. why would any oil producing country lower there prices after we'd blown our reserves?  they'd have us over a barrel (maybe a little pun intended). with no reserves we'd become even more desperately Dependant on foreign oil, and they could do whatever they want.  

you simply can not reduce your dependence on foreign oil by using up your own oil, and doing nothing about your consumption rates.

aside from reducing consumption, the next best thing you can do is use foreign oil to supply as much of your needs as possible.  the result of this will be that as each day goes by you would find your own country in control of more and more of the worlds oil.  since each day you use foreign oil their available supplies dwindle and yours stay constant.  burning up your own just has the opposite effect.

  you need to keep in mind, that when you are told that using oil from American sources reduces our dependence on foreign oil, that you are usually being told this by a guy who makes his living (or has strong ties to people that do) selling you that domestic oil.  he may know the business but his advice is self-serving.  mathematicaly it just doesn't work out though.  it is just impossible when dealing with a limited resource, to use up your own supply and still control a growing share of the supply.

it's actually the biggest problem I have with drilling in Alaska.  not so much drilling in a preserve(it can be done relatively cleanly, if properly monitored), but that it will be more oil that we control that is used up now, and further increases our dependence on outside sources in the future.

I know the prices suck now, things are pretty far apart out west and on an average I drive about 25-40k miles per year, so we really feel the increased price.  but it is only going to get worse, paying up now will not only leave us in a stronger bargaining position in the future, but while higher prices are really hurting us now they are really the only way to reduce consumption.

as it is petroleum is still relatively cheap when compared with most other sources of fuel.  as the price rises many alternative sources become worth considering, and the profitability of exploring new energy ideas rises (personally, I can tell you that nothing in the last 30 some years has done more to spur my mind into thinking of how to get more business done on less gallons of gas than $2.35 a gallon)
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2004, 12:10:40 PM »
Whoop, der it is! (Yesterday)

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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - With the retail price of gasoline topping $2 a gallon for the first time, Democratic White House hopeful John Kerry on Tuesday chided President Bush for failing to offer hard-hit consumers any help.



Okay, will punt this again *if* they release the reserves, then you'll see "Its an election campaign tactic" next. :D

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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2004, 12:23:18 PM »
well you could always invade alberta (or just buy it from ralph for a lifetime supply of alcohol) and use our oil

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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2004, 12:30:29 PM »
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PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - With the retail price of gasoline topping $2 a gallon for the first time, Democratic White House hopeful John Kerry on Tuesday chided President Bush for failing to offer hard-hit consumers any help.


Didn't Kerry want to raise the gas tax by .50?

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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2004, 01:04:00 PM »
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Didn't Kerry want to raise the gas tax by .50?


Which day?
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2004, 02:33:16 PM »
It does not matter if it is a Democrat or Republican that wants to use the reserves...it's a BAD IDEA.
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2004, 03:20:52 PM »
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It does not matter if it is a Democrat or Republican that wants to use the reserves...it's a BAD IDEA.


Thats twice in a month we've agreed on a topic regarding politics. :eek: