Author Topic: On perks, score and planes... (Read 1293 times)

moot · « **Reply #15 on:** May 24, 2004, 10:53:47 AM »

points for when they add an H pony.

Edbert · « **Reply #16 on:** May 24, 2004, 10:55:13 AM »

Put me down as another vote FOR this system, just as I am for almost all of Kweassa's ideas for the game.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #17 on:** May 24, 2004, 12:31:10 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Yeah, go on then. Lazs too, with a Dee 9.

I think any change right now, which breaks the uber trio/pork-n-auger monotony and changes the pattern of gameplay, would be good. But that's about to happen - with AH2...

... just last night, a P51 tried some gamey crap with me - I think it was a bounce with a very long range shot. Whatever it was, it didn't work. I told the guy his gamey crap would not work in AH2. Got no reply. Instead, he ran away as fast as he could.

Well my 5p's worth is that I think the gunnery has changed a lot - if you were any good aiming in AH1 it's not too difficult but most people now sit on yr six blazing away and not hitting anything - it's quite refreshing actually.

I have to get down to 400 yds for an easy shot these days and closer for a lot of deflection....and I made 82nd in fighter points in a tiffie last tour...or was it the one bfore last...anyway...it's a LOT harder and the spins are fun too!

SlapShot · « **Reply #18 on:** May 24, 2004, 01:13:23 PM »

All this is completely based on the notion that one would give a crap as to their rank and the need for perks to fly perk planes.

Most that fly the planes that nobody wants them to fly, the majority of them have a crap rank in the first place, and would continue having a crap rank just the same.

What would compell them to get out of these planes ? That is the 64 BILLION dollar question.

I still have yet to get upset over what someone else flys.

beet1e · « **Reply #19 on:** May 24, 2004, 01:43:52 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
What would compell them to get out of these planes ? That is the 64 BILLION dollar question.

Well perk points worked for the F4U-1C. And yet I don't understand why. I think of the CHog as a net earner of points rather than being a PP liability. I guess the folks who were deterred by the PP pricing were the S&P lamers.

Schad - Grunherz was my 109 mentor for the 30mm spud cannon. 150 yards is about as far out as I would want to be before firing. So 400 yards sounds like a luxury!

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #20 on:** May 24, 2004, 01:58:07 PM »

Only scorepotatos would find a plane-based scoring system attractive. As a bunch of scorepotatos flying around in P-40s rather than P-51s would make for substantially easier killing opportunities, I'm all for it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

jodgi · « **Reply #21 on:** May 24, 2004, 02:11:08 PM »

You are SO right Slapshot,

BUT

Apparently many care for rank, many players seek out the things that will improve their rank, planewise and gamewise. Today the "best" planes are used by many that play for rank, with this unintrusive system they would choose other planes to pad their score.

I bet we would get SOME to look for other rides than the abundant "best" planes, that is all I see this idea will accomplish. We would hopefully get an arena with a little more diversity.

We're not upset over what people fly, some of us just feel it would be more fun with more planemodels in the MA. Is that so bad to wish for?

Check out the stats of those that score high on rank, it is safe to say there is a trend toward usage of the "best" planes.

The target demographic will not be those with crap rank/skill (not implying those are tightly related), but those that would do good in "lesser" planes but stay in the "best" to maximise score.

The current perk, score and killmessage systems already motivate people choose certain planes, this is not a new concept. This idea would hopefully distribute the motivation more evenly over the planeset.

If you don't care for score, if you don't care for perks or if you don't mind the overabundance of certain planes, I don't expect you to see any worth in this system.

At least I'm not suggesting taking choice away from players, this little thing is completely harmless.

SlapShot · « **Reply #22 on:** May 24, 2004, 02:37:18 PM »

jodgi,

Well, the recent unveiling of how some achive their "rank" has probably taken the impetous for a lot of players playing for rank and thrown it out the window.

I guess Lev's point, for the real hardcore scorepotato, they will choose these other rides and see where they really stand when it comes to fighting Air to Air ... could be very interesting.

I am not against the idea. I guess anything would be worth a try.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 24, 2004, 05:53:33 PM »

For arguments sake let's say 20% of the players care about their fighter rank. Now let's say this change would cause just half of those to fly the under-utilized planes in the set instead of the big four they usually fly. Keep in mind, those who play with fighter rank in mind are probably players who tend to log more hours per month, being serious aviation hobbyist types. Without checking Inno's site I think it was 40% of all MA fighter kills are with the Big 4? We can then deduce that the fighter rank potatos are accounting for a substantial chunk of those kills.

So... it doesn't take a math genius to realize this change could have the potential to put alot of people, and more importantly alot of good flyers who fly alot into a much more diverse planeset.

Now, even if you could give a rats mangy arse about fighter rank, right away the MA just became a more evenly matched, interesting and diverse place to while away your discretionary free-time.

Zazen

SlapShot · « **Reply #24 on:** May 24, 2004, 06:20:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
For arguments sake let's say 20% of the players care about their fighter rank. Now let's say this change would cause just half of those to fly the under-utilized planes in the set instead of the big four they usually fly. Keep in mind, those who play with fighter rank in mind are probably players who tend to log more hours per month, being serious aviation hobbyist types. Without checking Inno's site I think it was 40% of all MA fighter kills are wtih the Big 4? We can then deduce that the fighter rank potatos are accounting for a good chunk of those kills.

So... it doesn't take a math genius to realize this change could have the potential to put alot of people, and more importantly alot of good flyers who fly alot into a much more diverse planeset.

Now, even if you could give a rats mangy arse about fighter rank, right away the MA just became a more evenly matched, interesting and diverse place to while away your discretionary free-time.

Zazen

Keep talkin' ... sounds better all along.

beet1e · « **Reply #25 on:** May 25, 2004, 03:14:46 AM »

As well as those players who fly the "über trio" to gain rank (and there are many - just browse the stats of the top 100 for any tour) there are others who feel the need to fly an über plane of their own in order to have a chance against the über trio. That's another reason why there are so many. A third reason is that there are many noobs who feel the need to fly the fastest/best climbing/best turning etc. in order to get results. And that's why the UT of planes are the ones killed most often - they're being flown by noobs/dweebs. Think of any AH pilot you admire or know well. Then look at their career stats to see what planes they have killed the most. I guarantee that the P51/Spit9/LA7 will be amongst the top 5 fighter planes killed. The message being shouted from the rooftops by these stats is that the game is seriously out of whack, and is in need of a new initiative such as Kweassa's New Perk Agenda.

I don't fly the UT itself, but I can hardly expect to succeed in early war planes like Spit-1, 109E or P40 when my most likely encounter will be against the UT. I have only 2 career deaths to the Spit-1, 1 to the P40, and none at all to the 109E. Surely the pilots of these planes become dispirited when the arena is loaded against them, and give up?

And that's why I laugh when I see people clamouring for new planes to be brought to AH. Why bother? What impact did the P40 have? Until Kweassa's NPA or an RPS is introduced, or some other scoring initiative is acted upon, the game will continue to feature walls of P51/LA7/Spit9.

jodgi · « **Reply #26 on:** May 25, 2004, 04:56:51 AM »

It seems that Kweassa's NPA will be a bit hard to sell to HTC, since many players feel that choice is taken away. There will always be trouble when perking the likes of the P51D or spit9.

RPS is out of the question for HTC, so I heard.

We need other ideas.

Zanth · « **Reply #27 on:** May 25, 2004, 03:05:33 PM »

I can't believe I never thought of this before!

T1loady · « **Reply #28 on:** May 26, 2004, 11:39:10 AM »

I love to see my name in lights. "Insert name.. landed 7 kills in a FW190A8." then you get a few wtg's... F the score, and perkies becuase they are there just to get waisted. It seems the "talented" pilots with lots of perkies never use them.. Why is that. If you have 15k in fighter perks, can I have some? I never go over the price of a jet for some reason.. Maybe I should learn to fly the jet's... LOL Just my thouhgts even though no one cares..

SkipNutz

Edbert · « **Reply #29 on:** May 26, 2004, 12:20:30 PM »

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Originally posted by T1loady
I love to see my name in lights. "Insert name.. landed 7 kills in a FW190A8." then you get a few wtg's...

Off topic, but has anyone else noticed how often you see "wtg"s when somebody lands one or two kills and nothing mentioned when others land 7-9 right in front of or behind them? I figure some of them are noobs being (rightfully so) encouraged for the accomplishment, others may be squad mates bring attention the their squad name in lights. Either explanation is of course fine.

Maybe I spend too much time watching the buffer and not scanning the horizon, but these big maps make for some long commutes. I was just kinda curious if others see the pattern too.