On perks, score and planes...

[dedalos]

I find that I have a much harder time fighting the early war planes than I do the late.  For example, I seem to be fresh meat for a c202, spit V, p40, etc.  However, if I encounter a 51, F4 anything, or a 190, I will most likely kill them (or maybe it just feels that way cause I meet so many of them).  Keep in mind that I can't fly the 51 or 190 so maybe this is why I don't understand why they are considered uber.  Also, it could be because the few early war planes I see are flown by capable pilots.  It just seems to me that if I am in a LA7 and I encounter a spit V for example, the odds are with the V.

[g00b]

Don't we already have this?

If I fly an A6M-2 all tour I would get tons of points. Points are one of the factors used to figure your rank. Would the increase in points be enough to compensate for the lower kills/time and kills/sortie I would likely suffer? Indeed, would I even get more points overall because I'm only shooting down half as many planes as compared to my flying a LA7?

What I am trying to say is that don't we already have what you folks are asking for? Perhaps there just needs to be a bigger point ratio between low and high ENY planes?

Or am I missing something?

g00b

[dedalos]

Originally posted by g00b
Don't we already have this?

If I fly an A6M-2 all tour I would get tons of points. Points are one of the factors used to figure your rank. Would the increase in points be enough to compensate for the lower kills/time and kills/sortie I would likely suffer? Indeed, would I even get more points overall because I'm only shooting down half as many planes as compared to my flying a LA7?

What I am trying to say is that don't we already have what you folks are asking for? Perhaps there just needs to be a bigger point ratio between low and high ENY planes?

Or am I missing something?

g00b

I am with you, I think lol.  When I get in a lala its not because of my score.  Its because I am lazy and want to get to my destination fast.  If I get in NIKI again it is not for scoring.  Its because my aim sucks and I need the extra ammo load to stay in the game longer before rtb for amo.  I think you will find that is the case with more people.  Scoring is not the only reason to fly a late war plane.  One more example, if I see buffs comming in at 10K, I will jump in a G10 to clim fast and have the firepower of the 30mm to do some damage.

[jodgi]

about what g00b is asking...

Does anybody know the whole picture on planes, points and score?

It seems to me that a kill of a 202 by a niki is pretty much the same as the other way around, rank/scorewise.

I can't tell fur sure though.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by beet1e
jodgi - of course I agree with you!

I'd like to hear Tarmac's views. He gets a high fighter rank (top 100) without flying the P51/Spit/lala uber trio or any variants. And there aren't many of us who have done that.

Wouldn't change what I fly too much.  I'd still mostly fly my 109g2 and 190a8.  

If it leads to more variety (ie early/mid war) in planes in the arena, it might make the 190a5 and 109f4 more competitive - which I'd love.

If it gets a few scorepotatos into less uber planes, I'm all for it.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by jodgi
about what g00b is asking...

Does anybody know the whole picture on planes, points and score?

It seems to me that a kill of a 202 by a niki is pretty much the same as the other way around, rank/scorewise.

I can't tell fur sure though.

Fighter Air Points = Planedamage + Killscore

(Plane Damage = Damage to PLanes * Death Multiplier
Killscore = Airkills*1 + Airassist*0.25)

Soooo, score in fighter is relative to the damage inflicted, kills/assists scored and whether you land,bail, ditch etc. giving no bias or preference to plane type in any way, shape or form. Therefore, the easy mode planes are easier to get more score with, generally speaking. The whole idea of this thread is to change the score formula to something like this....

Fighter Air points = Planedamage + Killscore * Enemy value of plane you are in

Or something along those lines, whereby the same enemy value each plane has that garners you more perk points for kills while flying the lower performace rides would also grant you a substantial bonus in fighter score making flying them worthwhile for a score conscious person.

Zazen

[g00b]

I never understood how that worked before, thanks!

So... currently, if I want to get more FAP (Fighter Air Points) I can simply do more damage to a plane I have already disabled before it hits the ground?

Man I am so disillusioned now, I had always thought the FAP had some correlation with the ENY values.

I absolutely 100% support you guys!

g00b

[beet1e]

Originally posted by dedalos
It just seems to me that if I am in a LA7 and I encounter a spit V for example, the odds are with the V.

I think that's partly because of some SpitV pilots gaming the game. In AH1, the SpitV cannon has incredible range and single ping capability. So lots of those guys slide to the side on your pass, then acquire you as a target at 600, 700yards or more. I think it's BS, and I don't think such tactics are going to work in AH2.

See my whine thread in the gameplay forum.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by g00b
I never understood how that worked before, thanks!

So... currently, if I want to get more FAP (Fighter Air Points) I can simply do more damage to a plane I have already disabled before it hits the ground?

Man I am so disillusioned now, I had always thought the FAP had some correlation with the ENY values.

I absolutely 100% support you guys!

g00b

Another positive side effect integrating the ENEMY value of your plane into the Fighter point calculation would have is to make someone who could only fly say 25 hours a camp be able to have a comparable score with someone who flew 100 hours a camp. If the person who flew 100 hours a camp did it all in the La7 he would have traditional fighter score X 10. The other person flying only 25 hours could do it all in the p40e and get traditional fighter score X 40. Therefore, a bad pilot with no life would have a fighter point total roughly equal to a great pilot willing to fly lesser planes who still wanted to maintain a life. (I'm guessing at the enemy values from memory, but that's close enough for illustration purposes). So, more food for thought.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by beet1e
I think that's partly because of some SpitV pilots gaming the game. In AH1, the SpitV cannon has incredible range and single ping capability. So lots of those guys slide to the side on your pass, then acquire you as a target at 600, 700yards or more. I think it's BS, and I don't think such tactics are going to work in AH2.

See my whine thread in the gameplay forum.

Keep in mind if they are doing that, they must do alot of spraying so only get 1 or 2 kills a hop if they are lucky. Dispersion on a fleeing target at that range is killer on yer ammo load.

[sling322]

Here's an idea that Toad came up with once.....at least I believe it was Toad:

"Fly what you like and like what you fly.  Don't worry about what the other guy chooses to fly.  Have fun...it is after all just a game."

If the perk multiplier isnt "persuading" folks to fly early war planes maybe it proves that folks just dont want to fly early war planes.  Saying that we are being "forced" to fly late war planes is ridiculous.  Look at MiniD....he flies around in the P40 alot and racks up kills left and right.  Its not the plane....its the pilot.

[1womba]

Don't perk the planes or the pilots. Perk the pilots plane !

As an example once you get 30 kills in one type of plane or vehicle it starts costing you a reasonable amount of perks. For every 10 kills after that it costs you more & more.

Definately perk bomber formations.

The present perk costs , I think, should stay just perk the type of plane/vehicle in regards to the number of kills you get with it.

Hell I don't mind if my 109f is perked after I get 30 kills but then again I rarely fly any perk planes.

[jodgi]

why womba!?

[Ghosth]

Well jodji for one it would encourage people to climb OUT of that la7 or 109G10 after 30 kills & grab a new ride.

For guys who only fly an hour or so a day its no big problem.

But it would encourage diversity in what planes are being flown.

It would be hardest on those planes that there are no varients for.  P38, KI- 61, Nik,
etc. Could be done either in # of kills per plane or # of sorties.


It would change gameplay, would be fun to see it in action once, see how it would play out.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Ghosth
It would change gameplay, would be fun to see it in action once, see how it would play out.

I'm not sure that would fly. I like the creativity though, and I'm willing to try out new ideas just like you said to see how they play out.

The whine will be from those who fly 90%+ of their sorties in one plane type, this would penalize them rather harshly. Personnaly I mix up my rides a lot and also seldom fly more than a hundred sorties a tour so it seems it would benefit me. Thats where the rub is, anything that helps one guy and hurts another will be b1+ched about all over this BBS and ch1 (which was off in the AH2 MA last night BTW) endlessly.