Author Topic: On perks, score and planes... (Read 1291 times)

jodgi · « **on:** May 23, 2004, 11:37:01 AM »

I'm repeating myself here, this post can be found toward the end of Kweassa's NPA thread. I just didn't feel my idea got enough attention

There's been a lot of talk about those that play for score and rank, how many they are and their methods. The lack of variation in what people fly in the MA has also been discussed to death.

I'm one of those that would like to see more variation in planes. There are many ideas floating around, most of them "deny" people to choose freely. Kweassa's NPA idea is good, but many players don't like the idea of being "forced" in their choice of plane.

My idea is designed as an alternative or supplement to the NPA. What I think it will do is to make people up early and mid-war planes because they choose to. A choice based on motivation and not on "force".

I'm pro choice

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What about letting the ENY (or something like it) value of planes also affect the rank, in the same manner as perks.

Many players up "the best" planes in attempt to maximise their kills and survivability in order to get high rank. This clearly shows when you review the top contenders.

There is no difference (as far as I know) in score/rank between a kill by a C202 and a niki.

What if a kill in a C202 gave much more score/rank per kill than a niki kill? There are many people flying for rank in AH, and I am positive that many of them would change from their usual 51d, spit, lala and nikis and fly planes that would be better for score/rank.

This way people could choose how they want to play, noone would be forced in any way. We get more variation in the MA because people choose freely among "lesser" planes. Players who like to see themself land numerous kills can still choose to up a lala or niki without having to pay for it. People that don't care about rank can continue to not care. I can't see any serious hooks with such a system.

Imagine this on ch. 1:
"Ahhh, you P40B scoredweeb... up a good plane instead!"
Wouldn't that be something!

When I first started I wanted a lot of perks, so I learned to fly the planes that had high ENY value. Now I have more perks than I have use for, but I still fly those planes because they challenge me.

Dang! I think this is a very good idea!

What do you think?

mipoikel · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2004, 11:41:14 AM »

Yes! Very good idea. The system we have now, "forces" us to fly planes like P51, dora, spit niki lala...

Innominate · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2004, 11:42:10 AM »

(Summary of an old post)
New stat: Perk ratio

A ratio of perks given vs perks earned.

So assume you fly a 202 and shoot down a niki, and then the same niki shoots you down. You earn six perks and give 0.16. Giving you a perk ratio of 37.5, and the niki a perk ratio of 0.02. (This is of course an extreme example, but it illustrates the way the stat favors the rarely used planes)

lazs2 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2004, 11:45:05 AM »

when they close down AHI I will probly have around 20,000 perks. Unless I spend a whole day of my life helping nits "win" the war by doing really boring and unfun stuff for hours

in that case I will have 20,035 perks.

lazs

jodgi · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2004, 11:46:47 AM »

I think the score/rank path will be more effective than perks

mechanic · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:41:05 PM »

this is a great idea jodgi!

although i will continue to fly my little spit 5 becuase im brittish and i love it.

i fly others for chits and giggles but for when i pretend it is my life im playing with i will always play in my national pride.
the spitfire

rank be damned

Flyboy · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2004, 04:12:26 PM »

i was thinking the same thing exactly !

HT that will be a great thing to code in to AH2

beet1e · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2004, 03:12:45 AM »

jodgi - of course I agree with you!

I'd like to hear Tarmac's views. He gets a high fighter rank (top 100) without flying the P51/Spit/lala uber trio or any variants. And there aren't many of us who have done that.

Steve · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2004, 04:57:55 AM »

I just assumed you not only get more perks when you get a kill in a "lesser" plane but got more points as well. This is incorrect?

If I kill a B17 formation w/ a 202 I certainly would expect more points than if I killed it w/ a tiffie. I'll admit that I expect this only from a logical standpoint.....what good are points anyway?

Urchin · « **Reply #9 on:** May 24, 2004, 06:59:11 AM »

Yea, you get more perks based of the ENY of the plane you are flying.

So if you kill a P-51 in a 109E, you get 5.5 perks (55 / 10), if you kill a P-51 in an La-7, you get 1.2 perks (12 / 10).

You get the same number of points no matter what plane you are in. You get more points for landing, less for dying.

Points are the last sub-category in all the categories (fighter, bomber, attack, GV).

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2004, 07:23:15 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
jodgi - of course I agree with you!

I'd like to hear Tarmac's views. He gets a high fighter rank (top 100) without flying the P51/Spit/lala uber trio or any variants. And there aren't many of us who have done that.

Does flying a Tiffie or G10 count?

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2004, 08:01:11 AM »

or a dee dee 9 ?

lazs

jodgi · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2004, 08:59:24 AM »

From what I understand:

Perks are affected by which plane you fly and shoot down.

Score/rank/points are not.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2004, 09:05:12 AM »

I've got to agree with this idea. It would definately work. It would put the better pilots in the lesser planes, they would do some amazing things in them, land many kills, and encourage others to also try them. I've always contended that a great fighter pilot in Aces High could rank highly in just about any plane.

The simple fact is, perks in and of themselves are not a strong enough motivator to diversify plane choices. Like many, many others I can count the number of times I've flown a perk plane on one hand, so have a bazillion perks already. Making kills in inferior planes more statistically significant would make them appeal to those types that fly the big 4 almost exclusively. For those who do fly perk planes or already do take advantage of lesser planes in the set, it would just be business as usual.

I've thought about Jodgi's idea and cannot come up with a single effect this would have that could in any way be construed as having a negative impact on the game or gameplay. I hope HiTech reads this. Although this change would be subtle and not incredibly important to a significant demographic of the AH population it could have a profound effect on the 'feel' of the MA in a very positive way. Diversifying encounters in the MA is the key to keeping the game interesting and fresh, preventing that same 'ole, same 'ole run-on burn-out feeling everyone suffers from time to time.

Zazen

beet1e · « **Reply #14 on:** May 24, 2004, 10:10:43 AM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Does flying a Tiffie or G10 count?

Yeah, go on then.

Lazs too, with a Dee 9.

I think any change right now, which breaks the uber trio/pork-n-auger monotony and changes the pattern of gameplay, would be good. But that's about to happen - with AH2...

... just last night, a P51 tried some gamey crap with me - I think it was a bounce with a very long range shot. Whatever it was, it didn't work. I told the guy his gamey crap would not work in AH2. Got no reply. Instead, he ran away as fast as he could.