Did you just watch President Bush's speech?

[Eagler]

you  have four more years ... some of you may even be out of puberty by then  LOL



Landslide Bush!

[strk]

Originally posted by Eagler
you  have four more years ... some of you may even be out of puberty by then  LOL



Landslide Bush!

we shall see.  I bet you have until January 20, at which time we will get a real president again.

there is a village in crawford who is missing its idiot . . .

[Eagler]

nice unbias site there .... LOL

http://www.dailykos.net/

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by GScholz
Nope the UN shouldn't have acted with war, and they didn't. You shouldn't have acted with war, but you did. Like an elephant in a glasshouse. Ridiculous prisoner abuse allegations? US servicemen have already confessed to the crimes, including murder. WMD? Never going to find any (and that alone makes the war illegal). A free Iraq? Not going to happen. Not when you're there, and not after you leave. The US administration has acted moronically, wasted all the support they got after 9/11, made the UN pretty much irrelevant by defying it, made a lot of new enemies, created a lot of terrorists, wasted huge amounts of resources ... on a futile and pointless war.

Ok I'm with GS on this one.....

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Montezuma
This adventure in nation-building, in the absence of any kind of threat, is not consistent with traditional American conservative beliefs.

THere is lies the conflict.  They have found WMD's.  Regardless of whether you ar anyone else chooses to believe this, they have found some.  They will find more.  At the time, they seem to be fighting the insurgents a bit more than looking.  The insurgents feel that if they can disrupt the search long enough until the elections, if Kerry the putz wins, Kerry will just pull out.  They really are mistaken, because:

a Kerry will not win

b we will find the final disposition of the WMD stock pile.  


The really interesting part is that you call this "adventure" (poor choice of words IMHO, especially considering the death toll) a nation building... when Bush and the rest of the people with vision call it freeing a people from tyranny and removing a dangerous and rutheless dictator.  Thats the bottom line isn't it.  Those that choose to turn the blind eye to that, just to find fault with Bush... well, then... by all means carry on, continue to fill American body bags with your ignorant public opinion.  It has been your right since Vietnam...

As I said before, I am amazed that you can sleep at night, that and I am so glad you are going before God for judgement someday, because if it was up to me, I'd burn the lot of you in hell.

[Spooky]

Originally posted by Bodhi
I am so glad you are going before God for judgement someday, because if it was up to me, I'd burn the lot of you in hell.

You sound exactly like Bin Laden here.

When Americans speak like that,I feel terrorists have won : your country was built as a beacon for freedom and justice, and they turned you into hateful bigots.

[Eagler]

I do believe Saddam's actions or lack of was the UN's undoing, not the US but I am sure in many eyes, the evil US is worse than Saddam, and to some, even the terrorists and to those I kindly say - blow it out ur arse pls

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Spooky
You sound exactly like Bin Laden here.

When Americans speak like that,I feel terrorists have won : your country was built as a beacon for freedom and justice, and they turned you into hateful bigots.

I am worse than Bin Laden?

Sure..............

I realise that my total distaste and lack of any desire to try to rationalise to the idiots that want the US to fail is wrong, and I stated that, which again, were it up to me.... but it's not, thankfully.  So, even though I realise that it is better it is not up to me, and I have no other recourse than to continue to support my president, I am like Bin Laden.... wow, did not know that unilateral support of one's president, the lack of any violent action on my behalf, and the admission of the inability to forgive the liberals is now one in the same as terrorists.  Well, if that's your argument, then in your eyes, I guess the hell I am.

Thankfully, you're argument is rediculous.

[Toad]

TV makeup?

Yeah NO real men use that stuff. Certainly not a manly man like Mr. Kerry. Right? Tell us the truth Strk.. you think Mr. Kerry has a little appointment with the makeup artist before major TV appearances?

You know who I'm talking about, right?


This guy?



BTW, Strk... I had no idea you were from  Texas, let alone Crawford!

[stiehl]

How is not goosestepping for bush= filling bodybags??

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

- Theodore Roosevelt, “Editorial” Kansas City Star May 7, 1918.

[Bodhi]

criticism is one thing, but when public opinion at home changes the way the troops fight, and deploy is a completely different thing.  All the liberal outcry has, and is continuing to hamper efforts to end the insurgency.  That kind of having to look over their shoulders (to liberal opinion at home) is exactly what is killing American soldiers.  Before you say I am advocating unrestrained violence, rethink it.  I am advocating that the commanders on the scene no more about what they need, then any of us back here.  So when they ask for 500 more tanks, and instead get 200 humvees (because the liberal public will cry and scream over the tanks), it is that kind of whining and thoughtlessness that kills our troops.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Bodhi
criticism is one thing, but when public opinion at home changes the way the troops fight, and deploy is a completely different thing.

Maybe the military has changed.

When I was in, we didn't give a rat's bellybutton what the public thought while we were deployed. We were too focused on doing the job given to us by our command.

[Spooky]

Originally posted by Bodhi

Thankfully, you're argument is rediculous.

Is it ? you talk about GOD and judgment for those who do not think like you and Boooosh !

Same rethoric, if you can fathom the meaning of the word : I was not comparing YOUR (Bohdi) actions and Bin Laden's, just that when push comes to shove, Neo cons sound exactly like mullahs and islamic extremists.

Therefore, I was expressing how sad it is when people from a country who was built on great humanist principles are brought to the level of 14th century islamic retards... ie, Bin laddy and his clique of savages lured the US to their playing field, and made the US play by their rule...

So far, with that kind of attitude and talk from the US, tangos are recruiting more and more every day, bleeding hearts worldwide are making Michael Moore richer...

[TheDudeDVant]

Bodhi: As I said before, I am amazed that you can sleep at night, that and I am so glad you are going before God for judgement someday, because if it was up to me, I'd burn the lot of you in hell.

Lmao  I love these 'christians'...  I really feel love from brother bodhi! Can you dig it? I mean he follows the footsteps of jesus so well with his war drum! Jesus said himself in the bible, 'Blessith are thou that wish to burn their fellow man in hell, blesseth are thou that follows the drumbeat of war!, blessith are thou that would praise and worship those that condone war and the killing of his fellow man, for in heaven lay riches and glory abundant for each terrorist killed. For I say unto you, each unbelieveing soul that my children send to burn in hell a star will be placed upon their headdress for all in heaven to adore.'

Bodhi, may god bless and keep you! A place in heaven awaits you..

TheDudeDVant

[Charon]

Maybe the military has changed.

If you follow Hackworth over at SFFT it is alarming. It seems there is now a combination of the usual careerism (ticket punchers) with a new sense of political correctness (perhaps a vaild point to blame Clinton for getting it started, not that it has lessened since) that is particularly disturbing.

http://www.hackworth.com/

Charon