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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2004, 08:25:57 AM »
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Anybody driven one? What you think about it?


My Mom has a Toyota Hybrid car and loves it.  It's pin drop quiet, and very smooth. They opt. to use the Toyota over their Lexus for med. length road trips most the time.  I was very, very suprised when I drove it the first time.  It's similar to a Toyota Tercel in performance, but doesn't FEEL as under powered.  

Slick little car.  

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2004, 09:14:06 AM »
Well,as oil will get more expensive, and eventually run out, we will slowly start to feel that.
There is a new super carburettor around the corner that might ease the pain a bit, fuel economy is a lot better, so is pollution.
It's entering the small engine market now, but I belive it will enter the big engine market soon as well.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2004, 09:39:54 AM »
anyone that was around in the seventies is probly feeling the effects of dejavu about now.


Please save all the gas you can folks.. more for me and the glut of fuel will force the oilcompanies to lower the pump price.

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2004, 10:49:52 AM »
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Does anyone think the might get one of these soon?


If they pass a law allowing them in the carpool lanes with one person I would consider it.

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2004, 11:16:55 AM »
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anyone that was around in the seventies is probly feeling the effects of dejavu about now.


Please save all the gas you can folks.. more for me and the glut of fuel will force the oilcompanies to lower the pump price.

lazs



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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2004, 11:36:56 AM »
This is why hybrids will never replace our Global Warming F250 gas guzzlers.

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2004, 11:58:43 AM »
Funny clip, but that ain't no hybrid.  A hybrid with the same motor would have a better chance getting up the hill because of the electric assist.


....and if it stalled, at least he could charge the batteries while rolling backwards.  :D
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2004, 12:04:23 PM »
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If they pass a law allowing them in the carpool lanes with one person I would consider it.


Actually, that's a good idea. Maybe that is the way to defeat those idiotit counter-productive and polution producing carpool lanes.

Right now they are empty. On 5-7 % of the traffic uses 33% of highway capacity. A total waste. As they exempt more and more car type into using them, it'll off load the rest of the lanes. Hopefully to the point that the load on carpool and non-carpool lanes is the same, at which point we can scrap them.

Wouldn't count on that though. To many f* unelected pencil pusher exercising their power and spending other's people money.

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2004, 12:10:26 PM »
Mietla, are you seriously that out of touch with reality?  The entire idea behind carpool lanes is that they carry less people so that other will be encouraged to carpool.

If they carried the same traffic as the other lanes, then there would be no incentive to carpool.  If mass transit or carpooling is faster then lonewolfing it, the theory goes, then it's worth doing.
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2004, 12:14:05 PM »
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Funny clip, but that ain't no hybrid.  A hybrid with the same motor would have a better chance getting up the hill because of the electric assist.


....and if it stalled, at least he could charge the batteries while rolling backwards.  :D


Moral of the story: Hybrids are good for one thing, and one thing only. ;)

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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2004, 12:29:10 PM »
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anyone that was around in the seventies is probly feeling the effects of dejavu about now.
Yeah? Does that mean America is about to launch a new generation of crappy plastic cars, and little sawn off Cadillacs? Hilarious in pink... :lol

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2004, 01:36:04 PM »
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Mietla, are you seriously that out of touch with reality?  The entire idea behind carpool lanes is that they carry less people so that other will be encouraged to carpool.

If they carried the same traffic as the other lanes, then there would be no incentive to carpool.  If mass transit or carpooling is faster then lonewolfing it, the theory goes, then it's worth doing.


Exactly, the whole idea is absurd (government at work), as you just illustrated.

Look at it as the alien would. Those earthlings are really weird. When the tarffic is light, they open full capacity of the highway, but as soon as the rush hour approaches, they restrict the overall throughput by 25%. One 33% lane conducts 5% of the load.

And what do all those cars in non-carpool lanes do? Yes, they do produce pollution. Instead of spending 30 minutes driving home, they spend an hour. Not quite a double pollution, but obviously more than if there could use full highway capacity.

I'm not even talking about all the accidend cause by the 40-50 mph speed differencial between carpool and non-carpool lanes and the cross-lane trafiic they produce when carpoolers are trying to get into the carpool lane or leave it.

And don;t even try to convince me that people are actually carpoolong with strangers just to take advantage of the carpool lane. I bet that 90 % or carpoolers just happen to have more than one person, carpool lanes or not.

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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2004, 01:40:26 PM »
This reminds me of that statement reagan made "trees create more pollution then anything else"

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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2004, 02:19:18 PM »
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The entire idea behind carpool lanes is that they carry less people so that other will be encouraged to carpool.


That's the idea, unfortunately the mechanism does not work.  People generally have damn good reasons for not carpooling.  The incentive of a free lane is not enough to overcome these reasons.  

Maybe it's different where you live, but up here, the added congestion (and resultant pollution, loss of productivity, and accidents) caused by the carpool lanes is much worse than the benefit of the few people who are actually able to use them.  It's yet another tremendously wasteful CA government program, probably even more so than the failed electric vehicle program.
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2004, 02:29:29 PM »
Well, I have no emotional involvement in the subject, just passing along the rationale.

I live in SoCal, and I have no problems with traffic.  It might be because I ride my motorcycle.


.....in the carpool lane.
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