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« on: May 26, 2004, 11:29:07 PM »
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Islamic Militants Take Strength from Anger at U.S.
Wed May 26, 2004 04:17 AM ET


RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Soaring Arab anger at the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Washington's policy toward Israel has given a major recruitment boost to Islamic militants preaching global war, Islamists and regional analysts say.

Fury in the Arab world, stoked by battles between Iraqis and U.S. troops, has reached new peaks over the revelations of humiliating prisoner abuse by U.S. jailers.

Adding to the fire is a feeling Washington has been far too soft on Israel over a raid on Gaza that killed at least 42 Palestinians, weeks after President Bush gave Israeli leader Ariel Sharon rare assurances for a Gaza pullout plan.

"Unfortunately I find myself thanking the two tyrants Bush and Sharon, who with their stupid policies and their hostility toward Arabs and Muslims, have increased the Islamic awakening," said radical Jordanian Islamist Min'em Abu Zant.

Despite the willingness of groups like al-Qaeda to carry out attacks inflicting mass casualties, analysts say the message of global war is heeded by a minority of the region's population.

Islamist struggles that have won significant popular support have tended to be for more localized issues -- like the groups bent on destroying Israel or insurgencies in Algeria and Egypt -- even if a hardcore of fighters have moved from war to war.

But analysts say that Islamists gunning for a broader conflict are thriving in the new atmosphere of discontent.

"There is competition between militant and moderate Islamic groups over embracing the Palestinian and Iraqi causes," said Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi. "Moderate Muslims and Arab regimes have failed and the militant Muslims are seeking to fill this vacuum," he said.

Ordinary Arabs appeared little convinced this week by Washington's request for U.N. endorsement for a handover of power to an interim Iraqi government on June 30 while U.S. troops remain.

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The important question is whether the Islamists will win many new recruits. With few reliable opinion polls in the region it is hard to tell.

"It stands to reason, given a more polarized situation," said Washington-based analyst Rob Malley, while cautioning that it was too early to tell how big such an effect might be.

"There is a sense of humiliation and oppression in Palestine and in Iraq and elsewhere, the people in the Arab world view them as shared experiences and one reinforces the other," he said.

A leading London think tank said on Tuesday that recruitment to al-Qaeda had accelerated as a result of the Iraq war. The International Institute for Strategic Studies said the group now had more than 18,000 militants ready to strike.

Some analysts think the intensified spirit of anger could fuel nascent struggles by al-Qaeda linked groups in states like Saudi Arabia, facing a growing number of attacks, and Jordan, which said recently it foiled a huge strike by militants.

There could also be a resurgence of violent Islamists in countries like Egypt and Algeria, where they had been stamped out through heavy-handed military action by more-or-less pro-Western governments, analysts say.

"Everyone is drawing inspiration from the spirit of revenge. I don't know if we have ever seen such a period of despair," said Mansour al-Nogaidan, a former Saudi militant jailed for attacks against video stores, now a newspaper columnist.

Secular politicians and more moderate Islamic groups worry that their influence could shrink in the short term as a result of the anger.

But they also argue that the majority of Arabs will look beyond the ferocious rhetoric and hope that change comes from outside.

"The Arabs admire U.S. culture, values, and successes, but they hate U.S. policies," said Palestinian political analyst Khalil Shikaki. "The minute we see a shift in U.S. policies... we could see a weakening of the radical Islamic movements." (Additional reporting by Andrew Hammond)


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Re: Militants Take Strength from Anger at U.S.
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2004, 01:32:55 AM »
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"The minute we see a shift in U.S. policies... we could see a weakening of the radical Islamic movements." (Additional reporting by Andrew Hammond)


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Well aint it nice that IF we dance to there tune they wont bomb us LOL.

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2004, 06:45:13 AM »
Someone tell me again how Islam is the religion of peace? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2004, 07:31:38 AM »
Islam can be abused and used as a tool like any other religion in the hands of fanatics, poor people, mislead people and opressed people.

If the western world was the poor part of the world then i would bet that christians etc would be the once doing the bad things with the bible as a tool.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2004, 07:38:46 AM »
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If the western world was the poor part of the world then i would bet that christians etc would be the once doing the bad things with the bible as a tool.


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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2004, 08:17:48 AM »
blah blah blah

sandsucking nutbags need an enemy and the US and her allies, being the biggest and baddest in the world are it

and this is news?

does anyone truely think if we would have acted differently after 911 the hatred for the US and her allies would be one speck smaller? nope, "they" would then being saying US inaction had strengthened the terrorists and their cause and the recruitment had never been greater...

blah blah blah
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2004, 08:23:48 AM »
so if we just rounded up all them mean jews and killed em all then the terr.. er, freedom fighters would leave us alone to enjoy our filthy capitalist lifestyles?

or would our women have to wear veils too?

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2004, 08:26:06 AM »
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Someone tell me again how Islam is the religion of peace? :rolleyes:


Just as much as christianity or most of the other religions.

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 08:27:56 AM »
Grr, I can't think of anything to say!
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2004, 08:49:16 AM »
The arabs are almost as funny as txmx.

I'm so glad that Islam is the religion of peace.

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2004, 08:54:11 AM »
The argument that the militants hate us because of our Israeli policy no longer holds water.

George Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton spent a decade trying to "rein in" Israel and win a "homeland" for the Palestinians.  I was in Israel prior to the Helsinki talks, and I can tell you that many Israelis resented Bush Sr. for pressuring them to deal with Arafat.  Concessions were wrung from them that would have appalled Ben Gurion.  The U.S. led coalition of the Gulf War, which was made up largely of Muslim countries, brought an end to an invasion by the forces of one of the worst despots in the region.

None of this has done us one bit of good.  The militants still hate us.  They strike us hoping for a violent response, which they propagandize as American "imperialism."  They then enlist new "angry recruits" from every country in the Muslim world.  

It does no good to try to show restraint when they strike for, if they get no response, they will just ratchet up the violence until we MUST strike.

There ARE, however, some things we can do to end their hatred of the U.S.

1.  Turn the United States into a Muslim Theocracy.

2.  Suppress all non-Muslim religions.

3.  Use our military to assist them in the destruction of Israel.

4.  Join them in their "crusade" to spread Islam across the face of the earth.  If you don't believe that is one of their main goals, buy an English translation of the Koran and read it front to back.

None of the above is acceptable to the average American.


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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2004, 08:55:51 AM »
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Just as much as christianity or most of the other religions.


Beat me too the idea.. I mean christians have been SOOOO peaceful through the centuries..

Millenium ago they actually showed up in Alexandria during the crusades with gifts and peace offerings..  The fire was just a result of a peace pipe that got out of hand...

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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2004, 09:14:05 AM »
we aren't talking about the crusades, pls fast forward to TODAY!

many find the hatred of religion only surpassed by their hatred of our POTUS

it has nothing to do with our God or their Allah, it is about abunch of extremists who use it as an excuse for their insane actions against otherwise peace loving ppl
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Re: Militants Take Strength from Anger at U.S.
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2004, 09:33:38 AM »
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Islamic Militants Take Strength from Anger at U.S.


This is news?

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2004, 09:35:18 AM »
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This is news?

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