I'm sorry guys for messing up the open channel :(

[JENG]

This evening I was the cause of the open channel turning ugly once more...

CavemanJ bounced me in my 109, we had a good fight. When I finaly turn the tables, he apparently ran for a homebase... but I killed him just before he got there.

When CavemanJ ran for the homeplate he called out that he was out of fuel, I did not read that cause in the middle of a fight I can only glance at the buffer once in a while. He became angry, I didn't know why (at that time) and lost my temper too.

CJ, at first I didn't believe you had called out 'low fuel'... but I watched the film and you are right. If I had known I would have disengaged.

That's not the issue tho... slanting on someone is... If I engage someone when low on fuel (remember the fight didn't last long so you where already low on fuel) then it's my responsibility, and if I get killed then... it's my fault.

We both lost our temper... it's just so easy on the internet... I don't think both you and me would do the same if we met face to face, at least I wouldn't stand for it.

I'm sorry I got so worked up over this... so my appologies to you Cave and all the others who watched it.

Seeya up there in the sky and may everybody kill everybody in a pleasant atmosphere.

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BEE(JENG)
=CO=III/JG2~Richthofen~
JG2 "Richthofen"
 
'Nemo Impune Lacessit'

[This message has been edited by JENG (edited 03-29-2000).]

[hblair]

 This isn't necessarily directed at caveman, don't know him anyways, but I never really understood why people call on the open channel that they are out of gas or ammo in the first place. Why should the other guy give a rip?

I have never in AH or WB's called on the open channel that I was outa anything during an engagemant, never considered it the other guys responsibility to "not shoot" me. Don't get me wrong, I have disengaged for this reason, but should the other guy expect that?

If you're caught without enough fuel/ammo, who's fault IS it?  

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        hblair,

<===< The ASSASSINS >===>
 

[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 03-29-2000).]

[Gh0stFT]

ROTFL !

hblair your right  
A good idea is to add a Fuel Icon over a enemy
Plane, so i know when to shoot and when not LOL
WHY we have a Fuel-indicator ?! tell me why  

Gh0stFT

[Hangtime]

I suspect I'll be real sorry for stickin my toe in here...

Your opponet may ask for quarter. He may ask fer a million bucks, and the keys to the car and yer wife's attentions too... doesn't mean yah have to give it up... or even answer.

Had that been me, I would not have asked. When I thumb the starter and the merlin coughs, I'm entering a kill or be killed enviornment... and asking the bear to "hold up there; while I get my damn pants on; ok?" is not in the cards or even good cricket.

Last week I shot some poor dude who informed me a split second after I gunned him into debris that he was AFK. He seemed rather indignant. Since he was dead; I reminded him of THAT fact, and suggested that his ghost shut the hell up too. Then I squelched him and cut off the interplay that WOULD have resulted in one nasty textbox demonstration of an amazinhunk contest.

If yah did anything wrong here Bee; it was only in replying to the ghost of the person you killed... don't support the occult. Squelch 'em BEFORE it gets ugly. Nobody wants to be haunted.   If the ghost gets no further reply beyond.. "yer dead. If I'm hearin yah now; then yer a ghost. I don't belive in ghosts, so you are squelched as of now." He'll have a heluva argument with his monitor... but not with you.

As a side note... those last 5 min of fuel are about the only time my poor P51 can actually TURN. And; if someone hollers to ME he's outta fuel; beer; ammo; elevator and altitude, then it just means I didn't finish the job proper like and he'd better get his bellybutton ditched or bailed or under friendly cover before I can get back there and finish him. Quarter; my ass! He's there; he shot at me and now he's a damn target unless he can get me first.

And lastly..  damn fine apology to the 'offended' party, even though he knows better. He was no doubt havin an awful day too. Hope yah both feel better... check yer arming switches; check yer six; and fly and fight till the damn dirt interferes.  

Salute!

Hang

[delta]

FWIW,

I have to agree with hblair and hang.

delta

[LLv34_Snefens]

Well, I don't EXPECT to be left alone just because I am out of fuel, but if I have had a very good fight with another pilot (where we shoot each other up good for instance) and I have to leave due to no fuel and then call out my situation, it sometimes happens that he will let me go.
I don't mention this always when it happens to me, but just when I believe there is an possibility that he may think I "earned" to get out alive. That is basically when the fight was a draw up to the point of my needed retreat.

In the same manner I will also let a guy get away if he calls out his situation and has "earned" it, like I described it above. (Man, aint I a nice guy?  )

Oh to get back to the point, that is just my reason to call it out sometime, but I won't start squeaking about it when/if I get shot down anyway, if my opponent don't think I should deserve to live  

That is unless they start accusing me of lying.  

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Ltn. Snefens
RO, Lentolaivue 34

[AKDejaVu]

I think we need a "timeout" function.  Whenever you lose the advantage, you hit this button and the enemy can't shoot at you.

I've also noticed a trend amongst certain pilots (wow.. same guy mentioned in two threads) to piss and moan whenever they go down.  A good idea for all is to get a squelch list and add this pilots name to it.

AKDejaVu

[Beefcake]

awww how sweet some of you are, too bad nobady gives that respect to bombers. Today I was running like hell back to base after I had taken some bad damage. I had shot down 2 fighters and damaged a third. I had lost engine no 4, was leaking fuel in Right Main, Right Outer, and Aux, I lost tail guns, top turret, ball turret, port waist, and chin turret, pilot was wounded, had no rudder, and was missing an elevator. There where 2 cons chasing me, a P38 and a SPIT. The Spit broke off but the 38 stayed with me. I called out on open ch that I had no guns, and to please let me return to base. I got on reponse. The 38 closed on me, it was 1.8k away when elfy saved my ass. He came in and droped right on the 38's 6. A spray of shots and off came the 38s wing. I cheared for his good work. I did manage to safely land a F24 and complete my mission, so I was happy. But my main point was that nobody would give a buff a chance. I mean if you saw me in a damaged buff ,and I called out that I had no guns, would you let me go? That is my question.

Heheheheh

The Beefster- AH  Full Time Buff Pilot

[ra]

So someone breaks off and calls 'low fuel'.  What happened to his fuel?  Oh yeah, he burned it all trying to kill you.  

The next time someone turns the tables on me I'm gonna head for home and call 'low skill'.  Maybe he'll let me live.

ra

[Greg 'wmutt' Cook]

Take heart Beefcake, Being a bomber pilot at heart (but with my current conection I get discoed too often to spend time buffing. DSL next month though). I have a strict code for engagement of buffs.  If the buff is obviously withdrawing, or has already dropped it's load   I see no reason to risk the chance of a .50 cal ennema just to kill what ammounts to at that time a well armed 7 to 10 passenger airliner.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't get upset at those who don't share my view, but it's just my policy.  Just like I will not attack any plane that is clearly withdrawing from the fight.

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Greg 'wmutt' Cook
332nd Flying Mongrels

[Citabria]

'Nobody wants to be haunted.  If the ghost gets no further reply beyond.. "yer dead. If I'm hearin yah now; then yer a ghost. I don't belive in ghosts, so you are squelched as of now." He'll have a heluva argument with his monitor... '


<falls out of chair>
ROFLMAO

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CitabriAirbatiC

"There Is No Spoon"

[sourkraut]

Bee -

When I first read this I thought you must be trolling! You in no way owe anyone an apology for shooting them down.

Next we will have goon pilots yelling - "Don't shoot I am unarmed."

This is a joke.

Sour


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Sourkraut
JG-2 Richthofen

"Hey - someone has to be the target...."

 

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[Pongo]

Bee. Maybe that is a protocol I have never heard of. Maybe if both of you are out of ammo.... The fun starts when your out of fuel. The FW handles real well when its totaly empty turns inside a niki..(or did once anyway.)Thats when wingmen and a good bluff can really help. I have never seen a fight stop when some asset ran out, either fuel, ammo, E or ideas...Nice try though cave...  

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

[Grizzly]

I've seen so many major arguments break out over on AW relaxed realism over the issue of calling out bingo fuel or ammo. But I wouldn't expect to find it happen here. You might let someone go when they run out of ammo or fuel if you respect them or they fought a good fight, but it is not to be expected. He who runs out of ammo or fuel deserves to be shot down.

Beyond that, IMHO it is in very poor form to announce you are bingo. You place your foe in the uncomfortable position of having to decide whether to let you go. Further, claiming to be bingo is nothing more than a cheap excuse for getting beaten. This goes for AFK, my cat jumped on the keyboard, my wife was talking to me, I had something in my eye, or I fell asleep. The only valid excuse is, "I am a dweeb".

Don't lower this game to dweebery, he who calls bingo should be shot.

[Heckel]

Hangtime-
You've outdone yourself!
I went through two pairs of depends reading your post!  Salute!

Bee-
Screw cave!  He's a jerk and a crybaby. Kill him without mercy, regret, or hesitation.  That's an order.

Cave-
See above.

-Heckel
JG2