Bye Bye Suicide Fuel Porker. :)))

[JB42]

I have mixed feelings about this. As a Lufter, always having 75% fuel is a Godsend, However, lest us not forget, one of the strategies behind winning the real war was to reduce the Axis fuel supplies which in the end helped nuetralize the Luftwaffe. I would be more in favor of more fuel targets as opposed to only going down to 75%.

[XtrmeJ]

Originally posted by beet1e
I've just downloaded the AH2 Beta36 update. I read through the changes, which were mostly fixes, but when logging on I found some more changes - fuel strat changes. The new way is going to be thus:

• 50% of fuel bunkers destroyed will disable drop tanks at that field.
• 90% or more of fuel bunkers destroyed will pork fuel to 75%.

So no more 25% suicide fuel porks. [/B]

Yes!!!

[Sox62]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
"Fuel Porking" is a valid tactic.  Irritating, yes, but valid.

So is the HO,but most don't like  it either.I won't miss the fuel porking at all.

The other night in pizza,I actually found a good fight...a nice medium size furball between two bases below 10k.It didn't last long because two 51's came in (from over 20k) and nuked the fuel.

Screw fuel porking.I'm glad it's gone in AHII.

[kj714]

Originally posted by Sox62
So is the HO,but most don't like  it either.I won't miss the fuel porking at all.

The other night in pizza,I actually found a good fight...a nice medium size furball between two bases below 10k.It didn't last long because two 51's came in (from over 20k) and nuked the fuel.

Screw fuel porking.I'm glad it's gone in AHII.

So why couldn't you guys protect your base against the 2 51's? Everybody too busy getting to the furball to care until the fuel was gone?

[MadSquirrel]

kj714, I would like to see you catch two P-51s dropping on your field from 20K.  By the time you see them, they have dropped and are back at their field drinking coffee.  

Been on the recieving end way to often.

LTARsqrl  

[DipStick]

Been flying it a several weeks. The 75% thing is great and the fuel burn makes you think a little, other than that it's no problem.

And I do think both are permanent FDutchmn, although I could be wrong.

[meddog]

I dont think anything will change the horde attack.  Fester's maps were suppose to change all of that and it's the same old thing, you just don't have to fly as far.  And as long as the Rooks or Bishops out number by 75-100 people.  The steam rolling will just continue.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
kj714, I would like to see you catch two P-51s dropping on your field from 20K.  By the time you see them, they have dropped and are back at their field drinking coffee.  

Been on the recieving end way to often.

LTARsqrl  

So you dont wait untill they are droping from 20K. You intercept them en route.
Not hard ta do. All one has to do is pay attention to the map.
Fact of the matter is most people dont bother paying attention to whats inbound untill after their base gets hit or the attackers are so close there is nothing to do to stop it.
I've been stopped plenty of times by folks who decided to grow a brain or gt off their lazy arse and intercept me before I reached their feild

[Sox62]

Originally posted by kj714
So why couldn't you guys protect your base against the 2 51's? Everybody too busy getting to the furball to care until the fuel was gone?

Maybe because we were FIGHTING in the weeds instead of loitering at 25k in 51's.This is the same old argument that fuel porkers use...just protect the base.If someone really wants to pork a base and has the patience to climb to 25k+ and get fast in 51's,there really isn't anyway to stop them.

[kj714]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
kj714, I would like to see you catch two P-51s dropping on your field from 20K.  By the time you see them, they have dropped and are back at their field drinking coffee.  

Been on the recieving end way to often.

LTARsqrl  

An LTAR saying he can't shoot a plane outta the sky? Your squad know about this?

[kj714]

Originally posted by Sox62
Maybe because we were FIGHTING in the weeds instead of loitering at 25k in 51's.This is the same old argument that fuel porkers use...just protect the base.If someone really wants to pork a base and has the patience to climb to 25k+ and get fast in 51's,there really isn't anyway to stop them.

and this is the same argument all the "I just want to fight" guys use. Make my ground assets invincible so I can just fly and not worry about anything else.

Well, the nme is going to try to find some way to shut down the attack from the source, it's part of the game in AH. So now instead of fuel porking, it'll be troop porking.

On the flip side, think how nice it will be to roll into a base, and always have almost full fuel to roll to the next one. The hordes should be smiling from ear to ear right now. Just hotpad that goon if no troops available, everybody pony up a fresh plane, and off we go to the next base. Can't wait to hear the crying around about that.

[SlapShot]

So now instead of fuel porking, it'll be troop porking.

The existence or non-existence of troops never did effect the ability to keep my plane flying. Don't see how this will effect it in the future.

On the flip side, think how nice it will be to roll into a base, and always have almost full fuel to roll to the next one. The hordes should be smiling from ear to ear right now.

Yes ... the door swings both ways now ... how nice it will be to be able to face the horde with enough fuel to try and repel it. Sounds refreshing to me.

I am sure all these who profess "its your fault you didn't protect it" are always flying at 15-20K and within a 10-15 mile radius of fields waiting with baited breath to smash the "pork/auger" doodz. The probably like to watch grass grow and paint dry.

I was born in the night ... but it wasn't last night ... Nice try ...

[kj714]

Originally posted by SlapShot
So now instead of fuel porking, it'll be troop porking.

The existence or non-existence of troops never did effect the ability to keep my plane flying. Don't see how this will effect it in the future.

On the flip side, think how nice it will be to roll into a base, and always have almost full fuel to roll to the next one. The hordes should be smiling from ear to ear right now.

Yes ... the door swings both ways now ... how nice it will be to be able to face the horde with enough fuel to try and repel it. Sounds refreshing to me.

I am sure all these who profess "its your fault you didn't protect it" are always flying at 15-20K and within a 10-15 mile radius of fields waiting with baited breath to smash the "pork/auger" doodz. The probably like to watch grass grow and paint dry.

I was born in the night ... but it wasn't last night ... Nice try ...

No, not waiting, but I'll normally go to an intercept when I see the red dots coming if I'm able to. Not that I've ever tried to bomb anything with a P51 from 20k either, I think they usually come down a little lower before releasing.

I can't tell ya how many times I've flown into an nme base to take down fuel in a jug at 12 - 15k, dropped down to about 10k nice and slow over the base all the while watching 10 planes take off with me in full view and not one of them ever attempting to engage.

Ah well, chalk one up for the endless furball.

Just out of curiosity, when repelling a horde attack on your base, how much fuel do you take up anyway? Usually for me 25% is plenty for base defense. The best way to stop the horde was to fly into their origin from somewhere else and stomp on their fuel.

But hey, I like to furball too, so no worries!

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Replicant
Whereas I used to pork fuel to stop/slow down the horde!  So I guess it works both ways; you can't stop a horde/gangbang attacking you now, whereas porking fuel could make them fight another front and give you some breathing space.

Killing the troop bunkhouses will do the same thing.  They can't capture a base if there's no commandos to drop on the map room.

To stop the horde, really, all you would need to do is:

(1)  have more player-manned gun emplacements at the bases;

(2)  offer more than one calibre of gun for defense (i.e.; have a couple of 30mm, some .50s, some 20mm, each with different rates of fire so a player can use a gun he feels the most comfortable with shooting);

(3) offer player-manned gun emplacements in the town; and

(4) faster re-ups of the manned gun emplacements.  I would think a gun emplacement would be repaired faster than a vehicle hangar.

[SlapShot]

No, not waiting, but I'll normally go to an intercept when I see the red dots coming if I'm able to. Not that I've ever tried to bomb anything with a P51 from 20k either, I think they usually come down a little lower before releasing.

The key phrase here is "... if I'm able to".

Exactly my point ... with so many bases, most of the time when an "alert" is sounded, there is not enough time to climb out and be effective. The "protect it" crowd makes it sound like all fields should have interceptors on station at 15-20K at all times JUST IN CASE the pork-boyz show up. Not a realistic expectation and not something that I will be doing anytime soon.

I never bomb from any plane at 20K, but if I was in a pony at 20K and put my noze down, nothing short of a 163 or a 262 with some smash will catch me on my run.

You then get to the 5-2K mark ... drop your bomb on the fuel bunker and then go for that perfect 1 point landing after seeing the bunker blow up. Easy to do ... hard to stop.

I can't tell ya how many times I've flown into an nme base to take down fuel in a jug at 12 - 15k, dropped down to about 10k nice and slow over the base all the while watching 10 planes take off with me in full view and not one of them ever attempting to engage.

Key phrase here ... watching 10 planes take off.

Your in a P-47 at 10K with loads of E at your disposal. Why would I want to try and climb to you ? So after climbing like heck to get co-alt with you, I have no E so you rip me apart, or you nose down and get out of Dodge ... No thanks.

Just out of curiosity, when repelling a horde attack on your base, how much fuel do you take up anyway? Usually for me 25% is plenty for base defense. The best way to stop the horde was to fly into their origin from somewhere else and stomp on their fuel.

I up a Spit V with 50%. I am hoping to stay in the air and kill more planes than what 25% will give me.

Yeah ... going to their field and knocking down their fuel will really put an end to any and all fighting. I am here for the fight ... not to prevent it.

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