Author Topic: Could World War II Have Been Won... (Read 2600 times)

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:47:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
I have to agree on what rip found...

Our press focus on negative stuff, cause thats what we watch, we WANT to hear about deaths and killings, supposedly, I'd more rather have video of our soldiers playing cards, on patrol playing with the Iraqi kids, eating dinner, reciving an award etc. Not killing...

And had this happened in Clinton's term, the neo-cons would have claimed that he was taking us to war to hide his transgressions...

It cuts both ways, fellas...

storch · « **Reply #31 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:53:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
And had this happened in Clinton's term, the neo-cons would have claimed that he was taking us to war to hide his transgressions...

It cuts both ways, fellas...

Except we would have been correct as we have become accustomed to always being. Be reasonable, see it our way.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:59:06 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
Be reasonable, see it our way.

you can't have it both ways. pick one or the other.

Sox62 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:05:12 PM »

I wonder how today's press would cover this
,or this.

Chairboy · « **Reply #34 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:44:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
What I'm saying, armChairBoy, is that technological advances have made life easier without ennobling the spirit.

"armChairboy"? Can't you support your argument without some sort of weird personal attack?

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:55:36 PM »

sorry Rip but Bush doesn't belong and deserve a place between churchill and roosevelt.

He is far from it.

Anyone comparing Iraq with WW2 is nutz.

Oh and America didn't won the war alone.

It was WORLD war not local like Iraq.

And the US wanted to be isolated until attacked at Pearl Harbour.

U did a very wrong comparison.
sorry mate ur far off.

Shuckins · « **Reply #36 on:** May 31, 2004, 03:16:02 PM »

Chairboy,

Given the condescending tone of your first two posts, what kind of response did you EXPECT to get from me?

My main point was that changes in our national character in the last 50 years have been profound. If this generation were to be somehow transplanted in time to the 1940s, the entire course of history would have been changed. In my opinion, a single battle comparable to Guadalcanal would cause this post-Vietnam generation to demand an immediate withdrawal from the conflict. As a result, Japan would dominate the western Pacific and southeast Asia, and Germany would have taken advantage of our vacillation to finish developing the atomic bomb. We would be living in a very different world today.

Sorry if I seem a bit testy, but I felt like some of your comments were flippant and outside the scope of this discussion.

Shuckins/Leggern

DrDea · « **Reply #37 on:** May 31, 2004, 03:33:07 PM »

1945 April 13
THEN: Belen Concentration Camp Captured by Americans
IF NOW WERE THEN: Democrats Claim Bush's War A Plot to Secure Jewish Votes

LMAO Oh thats a good one

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btw- if people are really getting weaker and stupider, why do almost every worlds record in any subject continue to get broken? every few years you get somebody who runs faster, jumps higher, lifts more weight, or invents something that nobody would have dreamed of 50 years ago.

Its called Steroids.

This generations so much more capable of dealing with the same type of issue but the liberal press would crucify the leaders over it.People are sheep.They would believe what they are spoonfed by CNN and the Washington post.Not to mention the NY Times.Hell CNN even admitted they played down Sadams atrocities so they could stay and cover the war.Where was the outrage on THAT one?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #38 on:** May 31, 2004, 04:36:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
And lazs would fit right in as a soldier in the Nazi death camps.

Red Tail You are WAY OUT OF LINE.....

I agree w/ laz todays media would concentrate on the fact that japs are being interned against their will and completly ignore how our GIs are fareing in thier prisons.

saying that laz would fit in at a nazi death camp is just idiodic. Pure stupidity on your part. way to show your true colors bro.

DrDea · « **Reply #39 on:** May 31, 2004, 04:43:04 PM »

Yea really man that was over the top.The Nazis didnt like CV's either so he wouldnt have fit...............wait a minute.

midnight Target · « **Reply #40 on:** May 31, 2004, 04:50:28 PM »

Getting back to the subject...

I think it's pretty clear how the American public has reacted over the years to loss. I think the early losses in WW2 would have had the same effect on todays American as the World Trade Center did..... Increased resolve.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** May 31, 2004, 04:53:28 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Getting back to the subject...

I think it's pretty clear how the American public has reacted over the years to loss. I think the early losses in WW2 would have had the same effect on todays American as the World Trade Center did..... Increased resolve.

Fare enough MT. I dont think the public can stomache a war were they are seeing live bodies burning and bombs falling.

Today's media w/ today's president would not be able to pull it off. I think it would be reported exactly how rip says. I think the D-day invasion would be reported as a failure because of the causualties and the "live" footage.

It just wouldnt work.

ravells · « **Reply #42 on:** May 31, 2004, 05:33:14 PM »

Interesting question, Shukins.

I believe that people that lived in past times were 'tougher' than us, both mentally and physically and cultural norms played a part in it too.

When you see WW2 soldiers interviewed today, it seems to me that there was an extremely strong ethos of 'nothing to fear except fear itself' and to show cowardice was the worst possible thing you could do as you would be socially stigmatised for the rest of your life.

I've just read a book on Shackleton's trip to the South Pole (in 1914) - those guys must have been made of steel to have survived through what they did under the conditions they did.

Ravs

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** May 31, 2004, 05:51:08 PM »

I don't think we're any different. You veterans know it. You busted your bellybutton in training and you busted your bellybutton on deployments.

Fifty years ago, wars were slower and the weapons were less lethal. Hell, our guys walked across Iraq in what, three weeks? Granted, there wasn't a lot of opposition, but fighting today runs at a blistering pace compared to WWII.

Maybe the forces from 50 years ago had a lot more endurance in them than today. Maybe the people were more willing to put up with a long protracted war. I don't know. I think our armed services are better educated today than ever before and they fight with great efficiency.

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 31, 2004, 05:59:50 PM »

dea... you have me mixed up with someone else. I LIKE cv's.

as for red tail... he is just angry because I have made him face his biggotry. He doesn't like me because I believe in equality... unlike the trained liberals he normally "associates" with. If you never face your biggotry you will never be able to deal with it.

once you face it yu can deal with it in a fair and logical manner.

I hold out hope for him tho.

lazs