More British planes, please

[Karaya One]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Yes, but they've ALREADY added later variants for the German, American and Japanese aircraft.  The Brits have 1942 tech.  {SNIP}
Sisu

Well, at this point, early varients would only be usefull for a rolling plane set (RPS). I am not sure what HT has in mind for historical match-ups etc.. but there is already a good foundation of planes in the game. Introducing a later varient spit would only cause people to want a Dora etc..

My reason for coming to AH was the promise of a better FM coupled with better strategy than WB's.

Would hate to see the past repeat itself.

K1

[Torque]

Oh...i hear Big Blue weeping in the Hanger  

[Rebel]

Naaah, Torque.

If they pull for the Spit XIV, I'll pull for my P-47M and you can pull for the F4U-4, and then All my other Luftwaffle friends can pull for the TA-152.  

See how that works?

Beautiful man, just beautiful  

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-Rebel
JG2 "Richtofen"

[RAM]

Originally posted by Karnak:
If you need an example of why we need a late war Spitfire, read the "Your Favorite Airplane?" thread (
                         http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002123.html  ) to get an idea of what people like. The Spit is way down at the
                         bottom of the list. Why? Because it is WAY outperformed by the '44 stuff the USAAF has (not to mention the N1K, upgraded Fw190 and 109)

Karnak,the main reason the spit has those record is because it has been largely used as TnB, and Base defence, while it is much better in a E-fighter role. In a TnB you can kill someone, but his mate will kill you later. In Base defence you are vultched, killed low on E and vultched again. The SpitIX is WAY better as an E-fighter and I see many TnBers and not so many BnZers on spits. And of course, If you TnB in a Spit you'll die soon...and people dont like dying. I use Spits a lot. I use them as E-fighters (yeah, the SpitV also CAN BE used as E-fighter...more or less  (Image removed from quote.)). If yah dont believe me, look at my records: I fly A LOT on them. I Like it a lot, but my favorite will be ALWAYS the Fw190 (even this poor A-8). So you haven't a valid argument here. Spit IX is NICE!.

IMO Spit IX is the best overall fighter on the arena. Not the best in any special role but capable in all of them. Even is a little overmodelled (top speed is very high).

Lets see, RAF men. We, LW fighters,are in a much worse situation. The Fw190 lovers(as me) really are disgusted with the lack of a A-5.
Spit IX is a VERY capable fighter, that fighted in HUGE numbers in 1944. Spit XIV was in much few numbers, more or less the same as Fw190D-9. As the Fw190A-8 is as it is, the hardest plane to fly in AH (you can't win a co-e engagement with ANY well piloted plane in the present planeset), I think LW pilots deserve an A-5 much before than you do a SpitXIV.
And note that I say an A-5, not a D-9...190D-9 will come later.
             
You have 2 Spitfires, soon a Typhoon and a Lancaster. Stop whining cuz I only have a PORKED Fw190A-8 to fly in. SpitIX is wonderful to fly. Fw190A-8 is HARD to fly. Be happy with all you have (2 splendid aircraft), cuz we are in a much worse situation (a flying tank that turns, climbs and bleeds E like that...a 38 ton tank!!!).

And I repeat, I hate Russian and Japs planes, but they deserve new planes MUCH sooner than your beloved SpitXIV!!!! and even my FW190A-5 so STOP whining about this! Think in the rest of the people!.

Don't take this as a personal attack,Karnak, but Im really tired of watching "i want this I want that" when you have a NICE plane to fly (I fly a lot on Spits myself,so I know what I'm talking about). Learn to master it and stop whining, cuz there is other people who shuts up with much worse planes than your hated Spitfire IX.

   

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Ram, out

JG2 "Richthofen"

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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-06-2000).]

[Vermillion]

   

And I repeat, I hate Russian and Japs planes, but they deserve new planes MUCH sooner than your beloved SpitXIV!!!! and even my FW190A-5 so STOP whining about this! Think in the rest of the people!

Don't take this as a personal attack,Karnak, but Im really tired of watching "i want this I want that" when you have a NICE plane to fly (I fly a lot on Spits myself,so I know what I'm talking about). Learn to master it and stop whining, cuz there is other people who shuts up with much worse planes than your hated Spitfire IX.

Very well said RAM, and probably in a much nicer way than I would have.    

British pilots have or will have very soon 3 fighters (at least two of which will be very capable in the arena, regardless of being "1942 Tech") and their much beloved and screamed for in every other sim, the Lancaster bomber.

Personally, all this never ending crap about a Spit XIV has so turned me off on it, I will never be in favor of one.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
 
   

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-06-2000).]

[Nashwan]

The RAF have 1 competitive fighter, the spit IX, and after the Typhoon comes out they will still have 1 comptitive fighter. The Typhoon is useless except for Jabo work. If the RAF had been given the Tempest instead it would have reduced some of the clamour for the XIV.
The XIV was made in greater numbers than the Dora9 and appeared much earlier, so it would be only fair to add the spit before the Dora. Having said that I would like to see the D9 added as well. It is the best choice Luftwaffe aircraft to compete with the P51.
Ram, you may have only a porked A8 but you could always try flying the 1944 109G10.

[RAM]

Nashwam...NO I cant!!! ...I fly with a 2 button yoke with a little thrust stick and NO rudder pedals...How the hell am I going to fly a G-10???

And to be fair...I LOVE FW190. I like 109s but not that much. Fw190a-8 is a s**t, so I want Fw190A-5. But I dont start three threads yelling "I WANT MY FW190A-5!!!!"


and BTW, Spits XIV started to fly over France in mid 44. Fw190D-9 on September 1944. Not that difference isnt it?

and there were roughly the same numbers of D-9 and SpitsXIV builded in WWII. So numbers are the same.

and I still dont yell about a D-9. Give the Russkyi and Nippon some planes and THEN start giving us some planes more (starting from the Fw190A-5 LOL  )


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Ram, out

JG2 "Richthofen"

 

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-06-2000).]

[Karnak]

Well, I think we've all made our positions clear.  So whatever they do, we'll live with it.

For what it is worth, I do think that there should be an anti-fighter version of the Fw-190.  I would love to see an A6M5c and a YAK-9 and 3.  My desire for the "other" aircraft has already been well stated.

Sisu

[Vermillion]

Ok, couldn't let the thread die.... Especially after I reread this.

   

The Typhoon is useless except for Jabo work

Are you smary Spitfire Boys willing to put your money where your mouth is??    

You want your Spit XIV so bad, your willing to write off the Tiffy without even flying it. Take some time to look at the plane and see what it can do before you write it off as useless. Your just upset because its not a 450mph Turn and Burn machine.

You quote pilot reports saying "sluggish and unresponsive" and such, and you immediately say its "only fit for Jabo" duty. THINK about it for a second, who was flying it? British test pilots. And what were most British pilots use to flying? Spitfires. Those same British Test pilots describe the American planes such as the P-47, F4U and the P-51 in the exact same manner. Same with the later heavier German aircraft. Nope its not a lightweight fighter like a Spitfire, but that doesn't mean it can't be an effective plane.

Ok so tell me whats the most squeaked about "should be withdrawn from the planeset", highest Kill per Death UberDweeb ride in the arena right now?????

The F4U-1C. Another plane that made alot of its fame in "jabo work".

Now lets compare the Tiffy to the -1C Hog under 15k, where most of the battles take place in the Arena. (Numbers are approximations since I am at work and don't have any references with me to cite exact numbers from)

The Tiffy has the same guns (itty bitty snapshots that kill guns)and similar ammo loads as the F4U. It has similar wingloading (general indicator of sustained turning ability) to the F4U and P-51. It has superior powerloading to both as well (acceleration/climb ability), and it has a bubble canopy that similar to the excellent visibility of the P-51. About the only advantage the F4U will have is in roll rate.

Oh and did I forget to mention that its also the fastest plane in the game down low? That at sea level its about 10 mph faster than even the P-51??

This plane doesn't have to be nimble or turn well to be a killer in the arena. It has incredible guns and is the fastest plane in the game down low. If you think that makes it "suitable only for Jabo work" then your fooling yourself. If flown correctly, with straight BnZ tactics,this plane will be a terror.

So I say again.  Are you smary Spitfire Boys willing to put your money where your mouth is??    

Here's the friendly bet.

I bet that within the first two weeks of its introduction, the Tiffy will be within the top 3 in rankings in Kills/Death of all fighters in the game.

If I'm wrong, I will fly nothing but the Tiffy for two straight weeks in the arena. Which should be a horrible sentence if your right.

If I'm right, you guys agree to shutup about wanting more British planes for the next month.

Its a group bet, all or nothing.

So are you game?    

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
 
   

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-07-2000).]

[Kieren]

Vermillion-

I'm guessing you've sized the Tiffy up to a "T". Time will tell, but I think it is going to be a serious furball-buster.  

[Citabria]

when you put that 500mph terror in the arena your gonna need that e you took off the p38 back  

[Nashwan]

As useless except for Jabo work was my comment I suppose I'd better respond.
I have never flown AH online. I arrived after the beta and my phone connection is so bad I would be throwing away $25 a month considering the limited time I would be able to play. When I get my cable modem in April that will change, however.
I was under the impression, from the posts here, that the majority of arena combat took place at 20,000ft plus. Oh, and Vulching, which I understand means attacking aircraft as they respawn/take off. If I am wrong about that then I am sorry, but that is the genuine impression I get from the posts here.
I stand by the comment that the Typhoon is useless at altitude. It was originally
designed as an interceptor but was almost abandoned because of it's high altitude performance, in fact it was only kept in production initially because it could catch low level Fw190 raiders.
You are correct in pointing out the fine qualities of the Typhoon, but you neglect to mention the appaling performance at high altitude. Having said that, it is still one of my favourite aircraft and I am looking forward to flying it. The only sim I have ever played which modelled the Typhoon is EAW, which gave it such terrible compression that it is almost unable to turn above 300mph.
BTW, attacking airfields and aircraft on take-off is my definition of Jabo work.  
One final point, does anyone know what WEP pewer and system the Typhoon used? I have found at leat one source that claimed the tiffie didn't use WEP.

[Vermillion]

Ah Nashwan, notice in my entire post I said "down low" meaning below 15,000ft (I think I even said 15k somewhere)

At least you had the courage to step forward and say something though  

But I guess the rest of the Spit XIV crowd isn't willing to make a little wager  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
 
 

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-08-2000).]

[Nashwan]

Vermillion, if the Typhoon comes out after I have joined then I think it would be safe to take you up on your bet. After all, I will be flying it extensively. That ought to push the Kill/Death ratio into negative numbers.
On the altitude point, how much of the fighting takes place low down?

[-duma-]

How much of the fighting takes place down low?

When you've got squadrons of Typhoons terrorising a front line airfield, a hell of a lot  

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[This message has been edited by -duma- (edited 03-08-2000).]