Author Topic: Anti-Bush Propaganda or the Ugly Truth? (Read 1273 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #30 on:** June 02, 2004, 12:34:28 PM »

These tapes were made in mid 2000?

When did Enron become unravelled? 2001?

Alot of people seem oblivious to a few obvious truths.

MiniD

Furious · « **Reply #31 on:** June 02, 2004, 12:52:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Odd, I don't recall you making a big deal of it when Clinton was running. But Enron/Lay and Clinton were helping each other out then.

How very odd, eh?

uhhh, clinton last ran in 1996. you were typing on a bbs with rpm then??

rpm · « **Reply #32 on:** June 02, 2004, 12:54:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Is Enron contributing to anyone's campaign this year? I thought they were bankrupt.

If you are going to be timely about your criticism, why are criticising Bush on a relationship to a ghost?

Because there is a strong indication of illegal activity. Remember the Ken Starr investigation that started over "White Water"? That was BEFORE Clinton took office. This, if proven, happened AFTER Bush took office.

Hey, if Clinton is drawn into this and proven to have taken part then procecute him as well. The law applies equally to everyone, especially those entrusted with public office. The manipulation of public utilities for the sole purpose of price gouging is exceptionally heinous and everyone involved should be thoroughly investigated.

SOB · « **Reply #33 on:** June 02, 2004, 12:57:25 PM »

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Originally posted by oboe
Who would you like to vote for, SOB, if you don't mind my asking?

BTW I'm not sure I like that way that sheep in your avatar is looking at me....

Too early to tell, I won't start researching until prolly October.

You don't like the come hither stare of sheeperella?

oboe · « **Reply #34 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:16:23 PM »

Maybe just the fact that I recognize it as a come hither stare bothers me....I think I've been around you guys too long!

Good luck with your research, there are a lot of twisted truths and falsehoods to sift through. I voted for Nader last time, but not sure I will this time around.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #35 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:24:26 PM »

DESPERATION!!! AHHH!!!!

SOB · « **Reply #36 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:28:38 PM »

Look, he won't let go of that kid and, oh my god, he's about to STAB THE KID'S EYES OUT WITH THAT PEN!!! BOOOSH IS SATAN!!!!!!11

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #37 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:29:36 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Look, he won't let go of that kid and, oh my god, he's about to STAB THE KID'S EYES OUT WITH THAT PEN!!! BOOOSH IS SATAN!!!!!!11

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #38 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:32:23 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
The law applies equally to everyone, especially those entrusted with public office. The manipulation of public utilities for the sole purpose of price gouging is exceptionally heinous and everyone involved should be thoroughly investigated.

Lay is being investigated (Although it seems not as zealously as Martha Stewart) and some Enron folk are already in jail. According to the article you posted, GWB lobbied for the benifit of a Texas based company, he accepted a Christmas Tree ornament, and most damning, corresponded with a CEO of a Texas based company on energy legislation and then signed energy legislation even though...

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the documents do not indicate that his actions were in response to Lay's interests.

Do you think each Governer is intimately involved with all the nuances of each and every corporation based in his state? Any Governer worth his salt has lobbied for the business interests of his state. I would tend to think that some Governers (if not the vast majority) know someone who has broken laws governing corporate behavior, even if they are unaware of the illegal activity.

rpm · « **Reply #39 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:54:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Lay is being investigated (Although it seems not as zealously as Martha Stewart) and some Enron folk are already in jail. According to the article you posted, GWB lobbied for the benifit of a Texas based company, he accepted a Christmas Tree ornament, and most damning, corresponded with a CEO of a Texas based company on energy legislation and then signed energy legislation even though...

Those links were to show Bush and Lay were indeed close friends for years. The tapes are from mid 2000 and were just released. There has been no investigation into Bush's involvement so far.

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Do you think each Governer is intimately involved with all the nuances of each and every corporation based in his state? Any Governer worth his salt has lobbied for the business interests of his state. I would tend to think that some Governers (if not the vast majority) know someone who has broken laws governing corporate behavior, even if they are unaware of the illegal activity.

Once again, this is about his actions after becoming President. If he is suspected to have taken part anything illegal or unethical, it is the duty of Congress to investigate.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #40 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:08:03 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Once again, this is about his actions after becoming President. If he is suspected to have taken part anything illegal or unethical, it is the duty of Congress to investigate.

I'm sorry, apparently I misuderstood. I thought you posted a CBS report that had to do with unethical behavior of Enron and then I thought you backed it up with an article that started out,

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Newly released documents suggest that President Bush's relationship with embattled former Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay was once chummy and that Lay often asked him to act on Enron's behalf when Bush was governor of Texas.

I once again apologise, but I am sure you could see that it was an easy mistake to make.

rpm · « **Reply #41 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:41:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I'm sorry, apparently I misuderstood. I thought you posted a CBS report that had to do with unethical behavior of Enron and then I thought you backed it up with an article that started out,

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Newly released documents suggest that President Bush's relationship with embattled former Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay was once chummy and that Lay often asked him to act on Enron's behalf when Bush was governor of Texas."

I once again apologise, but I am sure you could see that it was an easy mistake to make.

No need to apologuise, I understand the confusion. I was just showing 2 different sources for the long standing Bush / Lay relationship. They are more than just casual aquaintences. You know how people want you to back up things with facts and links in here.

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:48:51 PM »

so it's settled then? they whole enron thing was a result of the klinton admin.?

lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #43 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:50:27 PM »

rpm

no new prison pixs to post?

dam the luck ....

rpm · « **Reply #44 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:00:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
rpm

no new prison pixs to post?

dam the luck ....

Nice try at slander. Stick to the facts.