Author Topic: rook gameplay ruining beta fun.. (Read 3228 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #120 on:** June 07, 2004, 11:54:00 AM »

Drex sucks BTW.

-- Todd/Leviathn

mars01 · « **Reply #121 on:** June 07, 2004, 11:56:57 AM »

LOL Hun, yeah but where do you stand hahaha:D

On a perch or in the trenches?
Fields Close together and short fights in abundance or fields far apart and long boring flights and spradic nme encounters.

beet1e · « **Reply #122 on:** June 07, 2004, 12:05:02 PM »

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Here you go again. When I referred to Dipstick and myself, I was referring to "Turn and Burners" as opposed to conservative, "Boom and Zoom," fly-to-live kind of folks like yourself. Only you would confuse a general statement about flying styles with a specific statement about flying skill. [/B]

Plenty gets confused across the Atlantic Ocean. Believe me.

Mars01!!! I thought you'd deserted me! Bwahahaha - I've been a bit harsh on you in this thread.

No, no problem about the LA7. The LA7 is no longer stuck in my craw! But it IS always the LA7 the dweebs up when they feel intimidated, or want to seek out the goons.

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I'll let you in on a little secret, this game is about fighting other planes.

Erm..., it's also about jabo attacks on strategic positions, troop deployment, base capture - plus things like field guns, PT boats... and GVs. Oh wait, you already know about those.

Pooh-pooh the MA strat all you want. But it was PUT there by HTC. It didn't just grow out of a strat seed pod.

If you're not interested in that strat, that isn't my problem. If you are interested only in duelling, and deployment of your elite turnfighting skills, there's a separate arena for that. Beats me why it isn't more popular.

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Funny now your issues are with SpitV what happend to your whipping boy the LA7. Are we adding more planes to your Uber trio.

Well if we did that, it would no longer be a trio. It would be a quartet! No problem fighting LA7 or SpitV/Seafire. In T49 I managed 35/4 against LA7, and 41/9 against SpitV/Seafire (combined total). And T49 was my last tour before summer weather started hitting Europe. I've cut way back on AH since then.

If there's anything else of your I didn't reply to, it's because it was all bollocks - but you're still my favourite maroon!

HUN · « **Reply #123 on:** June 07, 2004, 12:09:30 PM »

Actually, I think you guys will never ever see eye to eye on this subject of TnB/furball vs. the BnZ/Ratio argument.

Everything in this game is subjective and you have to find your own way of measuring yourself.

Can I live through 10 sorties before I die? Can I up from a capped field and kill the vulcher? Can I last 2 rotations against Leviathn in a 1v1? Can I climb the rope and drop the E dweeb? It's just a matter of what you consider to be fun.

My own views on this change from time to time as I look for different aspects of the game to keep me interested. However I never try to convince the other guy of what to do. And as I learned recently perspective is everything.

After being picked off in a gang-bang I was told by the picker "see your ACM got you no where." And when I thought about a response I realized that there was nothing I could say that would change that guy's perception of himself or of me in the end...

mars01 · « **Reply #124 on:** June 07, 2004, 12:31:23 PM »

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Mars01!!! I thought you'd deserted me! Bwahahaha - I've been a bit harsh on you in this thread.

Nope busy doing the RL thing lol. Harsh on me hahaha how? Cause of your GV comments. Not at all, if I cared about you or what anyone else said I'd never leave the house.

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If there's anything else of your I didn't reply to, it's because it was all bollocks - but you're still my favourite maroon!

Sheet if thats the case I'd have nothing to reply to you about. Nice cop-out tho. I guess your bowing out.

LOL Hun I agree with you. The main point of this thread started with hordes. A good way to minimize the impact of the hordes is to move the fields closer together. The problem is tho, and what Beetle has pointed out, when you move the fields closer together you actually have to engage the enemy. The enemy has a chance of actually fighting back. Seems some don't like when the enemy can fight back.

Honestly I would like to see maps where both flavors are accomodated. Much like Fester was able to do with his maps. Half the fields in close prox and the other half a sector apart. I think more than a sector is a bit too far for even the Beetle types. The hordes would be more managable and there would be more fights.

The TnB vs BnZ don't need to agree the maps just have to allow both to exist.

beet1e · « **Reply #125 on:** June 07, 2004, 12:38:03 PM »

Haha HUN! You're just what we need in this thread!

We've actually got two debates going. One is about the "most elite" playing style, the other is about base separation. I had always found 109s to be difficult to manage. Indeed, I was the worst 109 pilot known to WB up till 2001. So in AH, I decided to try to learn it properly, aided by my excellent mentors, Grunherz, Urchin & Ecke. I'm not natural 109 material, but I'm a lot better than I was. The other planes I like are the USN planes - F4U/F6F, and carrier ops. None of "my" planes is going to win in a turnfite against a Spit V. And yet we have guys like Mars chastising me for not "mixing it up on the deck" against planes like N1K, Zeke, ... and Spit V. That is one debate.

The other is base spacing. A personal preference. I have always considered it kind of lame to defend a base under attack by upping from a different base a couple of minutes away. That option is much less viable on the pizza map, and that's why guys like Mars are crying about it. Mars01 argues that with the base under attack and no second base available, that his side cannot fight back. That is bollocks. We the rooks managed to turn around just such a knit attack, and push it all the way back to their base. That is the other debate!

But I like Mars.

Still, I might be crying myself soon - if Pizza is not carried over to AH2.

mars01 · « **Reply #126 on:** June 07, 2004, 01:03:34 PM »

HAHAHAH LOL Beet,

I think it was Jack Nickleson in "As Good As it Gets" where he was a writer. One of the female characters ( I think it was Hellen Hunts) asked him, being a man how do you write from a womans perspecitve so well. His reply was, "I start with a man and remove all logic and accountability". With that in mind Beet you must be a woman. LOL

I'm chastising you? You posted the film and started to derail the thread as soon as we got to the hart of the matter, that you hate when people (LA7s to be exact) spoil your vulch.

There is no elite flying style, there is BnZ which I also do at times but get bored of quickly and TnB, which is fast paced and very aggressive. Which after a few hours gets reppetitive and I do something else if the map permits.

Problem with your beloved maps is that they only allow a very small cross section of gameplay so when I get bored of BnZ I have to log off rather than TnB or something else.

Why couldn't Pizza accomodate some closer fields and increase the choices people have?

BTW - I do enjoy sparing with Beet and others on these BBs, I hold no animosity for him or anyone else for that matter on these BBs. This is all in good fun and decent debate.

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but you're still my favourite maroon!

Comming from the king, that is a compliment.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #127 on:** June 07, 2004, 01:09:08 PM »

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And yet we have guys like Mars chastising me for not "mixing it up on the deck" against planes like N1K, Zeke, ... and Spit V. That is one debate.

There's more than just that IMO. I don't honestly care how you fly, what you fly, or how well you fly it. However, you seem to have entered into this wishful thinking mode where you wish away all of the things in AH2 that annoy you about how other people fly and what they fly in AH1. I've seen you do this when talking about the differences in aiming, and now I see you doing it when talking about the new blackout model.

-- Todd/Leviathn

beet1e · « **Reply #128 on:** June 07, 2004, 02:40:37 PM »

ROFL Mars01.

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I think it was Jack Nickleson in "As Good As it Gets" where he was a writer. One of the female characters ( I think it was Hellen Hunts) asked him, being a man how do you write from a womans perspecitve so well. His reply was, "I start with a man and remove all logic and accountability". With that in mind Beet you must be a woman. LOL

LOL - well, I'll let you into a few secrets. I have very small hands. And my bedroom is painted in a sort of girlie pink! But I did that "wiring diagram" brain test in the book "Why men don't listen and women can't read maps" - and I got a score of -50 - almost off the bottom of the scale - dead butch - the score that all the AH gun nuts would like to get! There is an online version of that test. I'll look for it, and post it in the O Club. I saw AGAIG with Nicholson; it was a good film, though not a great film.

DMF!

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"There's more than just that IMO. I don't honestly care how you fly, what you fly, or how well you fly it. However, you seem to have entered into this wishful thinking mode where you wish away all of the things in AH2 that annoy you about how other people fly and what they fly in AH1. I've seen you do this when talking about the differences in aiming, and now I see you doing it when talking about the new blackout model. "

Your post is bollocks. I know you're a very smart guy, so I'm guessing you're having a bad day. I LIKE AH2! I haven't found anything in it I don't like. Why did you think that? I haven't been affected by the blackout model. I look foward to those 600+yd shots becoming less routine. The only thing I would say is that in twilight, the sun seems much bigger and much brighter than it ought to be.

Urchin · « **Reply #129 on:** June 07, 2004, 02:58:40 PM »

I'm actually on the side of the "close fields = fun fight" on this debate.

Had a great fight that lasted about an hour between 1 knight field and 2 rook fields yesterday.

Was attracted people like flies to ****. Except in a good way.

I'm pretty sure a good time was had by all, I know it was the first real *furball* I've been in for about a year.

By furball I mean a constant stream of planes going to a very low fight about halfway between the bases in question... nonstop action once you got to the fight until you died.

20 kills an hour. That is a kill every 3 minutes. No vulching involved... just pure furballing fun.

And yes... it was mostly spits and niks mixing it up, with us in Niks and them in Spits... both sides had a few run90s and Lgay7's blowing through looking for cherrypicks.. but you could pretty much ignore them.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #130 on:** June 07, 2004, 04:24:48 PM »

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I LIKE AH2! I haven't found anything in it I don't like. Why did you think that?

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Sorry, looking back I can see the confusion in how it was worded. What I meant to say was that you've taken all of the things that you disliked about AH1 and, through wishful thinking, convinced yourself that changes in AH2 "fixed" them. In reality, these things haven't really changed dramatically or in the ways you're expecting, but you're assigning more importance or weight to them than they probably deserve.

So what I'm saying is that I totally recognize that you love AH2 -- moreso perhaps than even AH1 -- but that your dislike for certain flying styles and planes in AH1 coupled with some of the flight model and gameplay changes in AH2 have led you to crow on about the greatness of AH2. Yet I don't think these changes will really result in the arena pangea you're expecting.

-- Todd/Leviathn

beet1e · « **Reply #131 on:** June 07, 2004, 05:58:30 PM »

DMF - oh, OK. As for the turny-burny planes - I haven't flown them since 1998 in WB. I got recruited into a 190 squad, and it went on from there.

Kev367th · « **Reply #132 on:** June 08, 2004, 08:52:15 AM »

Yup the last 3 -4 days has just been the Rook hoard.
Squad had a good 4 v 4 going other night, within 5 mins it was more like 10 -15 v 4. Even Karaya2 who is a Rook ( but Bish for the night ) commented on the Rook hoard.
Maybe ditching the small maps and just having large maps would help?

Zanth · « **Reply #133 on:** June 08, 2004, 08:59:10 AM »

I am holding out hope that once hitech/pyro work out the system bugs that they will next address gameplay. They are smart guys I am sure they have a few ideas.

beet1e · « **Reply #134 on:** June 08, 2004, 10:14:38 AM »

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I am holding out hope that once hitech/pyro work out the system bugs that they will next address gameplay.

I agree entirely. I thought the AH1 graphics were fine, and better than WB3 for damn sure. To my mind, some sort of controlling influence over gameplay is needed. I voiced my concerns over this somewhat repeatedly over the past two years. A lot of people laughed. They're not laughing now.