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Offline Toad

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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2004, 12:18:46 AM »
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Nothing. The UN funds peacekeeping operations with the money paid by each member state ... the payments you are behind on.


There's been an argument here in our Congress over that:

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Three agencies of the government have looked at these costs, the CRS, Congressional Research Service; GAO, the Government Accounting Office; and the Pentagon.

They have all reached essentially the same conclusions, that we have spent about $19 billion on peacekeeping activities since 1992. Now, we have been credited with $1.8 billion of that against U.N. dues, so a precedent has already been made, that if we spend money on an authorized U.N. peacekeeping activity that those monies that we have spent there are in lieu of dues; that is, they could replace dues. They only did that, though, with $1.8 billion. There is about another $17 billion that is still out there that we have received no credit for.



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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2004, 12:24:00 AM »
Bartkett,,LMAO:rofl
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2004, 12:25:42 AM »
The US is no better than the other SC countries armed with a veto. It blackmails other countries just as well China, France etc when it wants something.  

A good start would be to get rid of the veto

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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2004, 12:27:46 AM »
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The US is no better than the other SC countries armed with a veto. It blackmails other countries just as well China, France etc when it wants something.  

A good start would be to get rid of the veto

 Tronsky


A great start would be for the US to be out of the UN, let the UN make the world safe and ideal.

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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2004, 12:30:47 AM »
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A great start would be for the US to be out of the UN, let the UN make the world safe and ideal.


Yeah... but as long as we're involved with the UNSC, we probably won't be identified as a threat to world peace. :)
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« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2004, 08:36:28 AM »
so long as we can control it and not pay dues I say stay... if the other pissant countries get an equal vote then we should leave.


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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2004, 11:28:47 AM »
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Badger, do your homework. See who made the call to pull outta Rwanda.

I'm sad you served that long while thinking that way. No wonder our military needs a major overhaul, starting with soldiers like you. You shoulda left long ago then.


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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2004, 12:04:41 PM »
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Iraq: As the endgame draws near, world leaders have joined to call for more involvement and control by the United Nations. What a mistake that would be.

The maneuvering by the U.N. and its most vocal supporters has grown intense. Not only do they want the global organization to name Iraq's interim government. They also want it to command U.S. troops.

This would be a recipe for disaster - both politically and militarily.

History has shown the U.N. to be ill-equipped and inept when it comes to military operations. And recent events show that humanitarian and other programs are prone to corruption and scandal.

Last week, for instance, U.N. peacekeeping troops in the Democratic Republic of Congo were accused of forcing starving teenage refugees to exchange sex for food. Few doubt the charges are true. In American jurisprudence, we have a word for that: Rape.

Meanwhile, the U.N.'s top official in Kosovo was forced to quit after a series of riots that left 19 people dead and hundreds injured.

Let's see: The U.N. has controlled Kosovo since 1999, and it still hasn't established security or handed over authority to local Kosovars. Yet it now demands the U.S. to do so in Iraq, right away.

That's the way the U.N. works, as its record in the Mideast shows.

For more than 50 years, the U.N. has controlled Palestinian refugee camps. The "camps" - they're in fact towns - have become breeding grounds for terrorists. To live there is to know only despair and misery. Four of five residents live on less than $2.10 a day.

Is that what we want for Iraq? Of course we don't. Nor do Iraqis. Because as unpopular as we keep hearing the U.S. occupation is, handing control to U.N. bureaucrats is even less so.

Iraqis know that U.N. officials - possibly including Secretary General Kofi Annan's top aide, Benon Sevan - have been implicated in the oil-for-food scandal. Saddam Hussein was able to bribe key officials at the U.N. and elsewhere to break U.N. sanctions.

Why aren't we surprised? After all, it was Annan who said of Saddam back in 1998, "I think I can do business with him."

That's the U.N.'s problem. It has 191 members, but just 80 or so are democracies, according to Freedom House. So it will often "do business" with unsavory, abusive regimes as a matter of course.

This won't do. Iraqis deserve better. So does the rest of the world.

President Bush has a sensible, five-step timetable that potentially will bring stability and peace to Iraq. But seeing it through will require political will and military might - both of which the U.N. lacks.
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2004, 02:22:51 AM »
Even though the UN is a crappy organization and has all the flaws in the world it would be worse for world security if a nation as powerful as the USA would leave the UN, I think it would encourage much more  violence around the world rather that deter it .

I could be wrong of course, but I think being pissed in the shorterm with the  beurocracy corruption of the UN and pulling out entirely from the UN  on the long term would not be good for US (your's and mine)  security and the world.

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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2004, 02:58:42 AM »
Last  I heard the US was in arrears to the UN but Bush paid the outstanding dues owing.

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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2004, 09:21:46 AM »
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Originally posted by -tronski-
The US is no better than the other SC countries armed with a veto. It blackmails other countries just as well China, France etc when it wants something.  

A good start would be to get rid of the veto

 Tronsky


Amazing...  So not only is the U.S. the one that has to backup what the U.N. FINALLY figures out what to do, you think that the U.S. shouldn't be able to say "No"?

Nice try pal, go hijack someone elses country.  If we're gonna flip the bill and spill the blood, we're gonna have a say in when and where.

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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2004, 09:36:40 AM »
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Amazing...  So not only is the U.S. the one that has to backup what the U.N. FINALLY figures out what to do, you think that the U.S. shouldn't be able to say "No"?

Nice try pal, go hijack someone elses country.  If we're gonna flip the bill and spill the blood, we're gonna have a say in when and where.


Not a very valid point IMO... What was the last action taken by america and the UN that america did not rally for? I mean to ask when was the last time america took action with the UN that america did not want to be there or lead the cause of being there??

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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2004, 09:50:36 AM »
Glasses,

Although I dont think the UN is a "Crappy" organization...has its flaws...YES....

I agree with everything else you said....you hit the nail on the head my man!

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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2004, 09:53:57 AM »
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I mean to ask when was the last time america took action with the UN that america did not want to be there or lead the cause of being there??

 


Any number of them, if you mean the general populace. If you mean the politicians the number would be less.
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2004, 10:00:17 AM »
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Not a very valid point IMO... What was the last action taken by america and the UN that america did not rally for? I mean to ask when was the last time america took action with the UN that america did not want to be there or lead the cause of being there??

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If the U.S. didn't want to be there, they veto'd it.  That's the point.  

Maybe I'm reading your question wrong... are you asking "Whens the last time the U.S. took action that the U.N. supported but the U.S.  didn't ?"


Why would america give the veto power away and give unconditional support to U.N. resolutions they don't support?