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Offline StabbyTheIcePic

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2004, 11:42:15 AM »
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That's funny.  I thought they were trying to keep their kids from being blown up at the mall while the PLO and Hamas refuse to negotiate a settlement.

By the way, having the Israelis all up and die isn't really a fair bargin.


If the un decided to  let  canada annex america and start throwing you out of your home while hockey loving molsen drinking canadians moved in, wouldn't you be a bit upset?

The simple fact is that both sides are in the wrong. It is up to Isreal, since they have real power to kick out the settlers, to make the first non violent moves. If you do not think giving palistine back their country will not help, your a fool.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2004, 11:59:09 AM »
Define help.  

I am all for Israel pulling out of Gaza and the West Bank.  And then building a nice, big razor-wire topped wall all around Israel.  Because I'll be that the Pals need Israel much more than Israel needs the Pals.  Let them take advantage of their Jordanian citizenship.  What is a Palestinian without a home called?  A refugee.  What is a Pal with a home called?  A Jordanian.

Secondly, if you think that doing that will pacify Hamas or the Islamic Jihad, you haven't been paying attention.  They don't want a country, they want Israel.

And don't give me that tired, "If the UN gave Wyoming to Canada or let the Pals move into Florida, wouldn't you be upset".  First off, the question must be when they are going to get past it?  History is nothing more than a collection of one people moving into another's land.  From the British and Americans screwing the Indians to the Normans screwing the Saxxons.  Whatever.  

And if the UN gave Israel that land, why aren't the Pals blowing up the blue helmets?

But back to your question, will it help?  Yes, if it happened in some Utopia that doesn't reflect the present reality of the Pal mindset.  The people with the real power in the PA are the ones with the guns.  And their main goal is the destruction of Israel.  They will not allow a settlement to be reached because it would undermine their powerbase.  If Israel backs out of Gaza and the West Bank, the Pals form some type of decent gov't and everyone is happy, what do they do with themselves.  Hating Israel is their job.  It's all they've known for 60 years.  They have built a culture on one goal, the destruction of Israel.  Anything less is a defeat.

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2004, 12:01:35 PM »
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" Another tells of how his commander held up a wedding procession during a curfew, stopping the bride and groom, dressed in their best clothes, by taking away their car keys. He smiled as the bride cried.

Them Nazi wannabe's!

Whats next? Throwing their wedding cake back into ovens to over cook it?!

You retards.


One recounts how a comrade of his threw a stun grenade at Palestinian children "just to relieve the boredom."

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2004, 12:44:01 PM »
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Things you never see or hear about on US national news..  

dude

AoM


the rest of the world sees this stuff on a daily basis...it was only in the past 10 days that a high ranking israeli official compared what israel does to the palesinians to what nazi's did to jews

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2004, 05:07:20 PM »
my sense of balance must be off... I find that calling the jews nazis over the things mentioned while at the same time justifying stapping high explosives on your body and stepping into a school yard to detonate or... opening up with machine guns on busses and school yards or in the market place...

well.... I have a feeling that I would be a lot more comfortable living around the jewish "nazis" who for some reason look at the latter group as less than human.

neither may be completetly right but the latter group are so far beyond the pale as to be..... inhuman.


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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2004, 05:56:01 PM »
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neither may be completetly right but the latter group are so far beyond the pale as to be..... inhuman.


lazs


It's amazing what decades of propaganda can do to people's minds. Just look at Boroda and you know what I'm talking about.
99.9% of people you're talking about are just ordinary people who are trying to keep their childrens in safe and get some food for them.
It's that 0,1 percent who gets their names in news and after some succesfull mind manipulation you're ready to put a sign "inhuman" on all of them (exaggerated, I know you're wiser than that).

btw who has tried to justify killing innocent civilians?

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2004, 06:42:04 PM »
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my sense of balance must be off... I find that calling the jews nazis over the things mentioned while at the same time justifying stapping high explosives on your body and stepping into a school yard to detonate or... opening up with machine guns on busses and school yards or in the market place...

well.... I have a feeling that I would be a lot more comfortable living around the jewish "nazis" who for some reason look at the latter group as less than human.

neither may be completetly right but the latter group are so far beyond the pale as to be..... inhuman.


lazs


Say Hi to your Utopia where everyone is armed, Lazs ;)

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2004, 06:43:07 PM »
My boss threw a distraction device (read: Stun Grenade) at me once because he was bored.

It wasn't all that bad, and besides, the leftover empty hull gave them there Palestian kids more ammunition to throw back at the Israeli's. :lol

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2004, 06:45:00 PM »
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my sense of balance must be off........

lazs


   Lemme balance ya up here.  Remember these facts.  

  1) People who strap bombs to themselves and blow up bus loads of kids are freedom fighters, justified in their actions and looked upon with envy by your local Ameerika haters.

  2)  Any American armed with a feather duster qualifies as a loathsom and despicable terrorist, Nazi or serial killer.  Anything as long as its really really bad.

Clear?
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2004, 07:02:22 PM »
mmm Tumor,

You must have been the champion of your local debating society.

Nobody on these boards, at least nobody I have seen, says that the brutality that Palestinians commit against Israelies is morally correct or justified.

Some people on these boards do see why, after years of being denied any form of effective citizenship, seen relatives being shot or blown up, had their houses destroyed, some Palestinians might resort to such acts, for a variety of reasons. It doesn't make it right, but the reaction is understandable. Those people also understand that when these reactions take place and the Jews respond in kind, you end up with an escalating cycle of violence.

Those same people on these boards also understand that if you treat people in extreme ways, their reactions are likely to be extreme

Pretty much the same people on these boards seem to understand that your average Palestinian, given the right living conditions, human rights etc. would probably be productive citizens whose ambitions would look no further than upgrading their computer, buying a new car, getting a pay rise...you know the stuff most of us tend to find reasonably important in our day to day lives.

And I would guess those same people on these boards realise that the people who are in the position to begin this process of providing Palestinians with living conditions in which they can realistically aspire to these aims are the Israelis and by proxy the U.S.

The problem is that the process is not an 'instant' one. You are not going to reverse years of mutual brutalisation by waving some sort of magic wand. It is a process. And processes take time.

There are no 'good guys' or 'bad guys' when one speaks of populations of people.

Clear?

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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2004, 07:42:30 PM »
I just noticed in the news that US congress is asking if there should be an independent investigation done about events at Tiananmen square in China but when same was/is happening in Gaza/ WestBank then United States is using its Veto to prevent the investigatons and resolutions.

Why is that?

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The US Congress resolution condemns "the ongoing and egregious human rights abuses" in China, and urges the government to order an independent inquiry into the events 15 years ago.

The resolution is expected to be put to the vote in Washington on Thursday.

The human rights organisation Amnesty International has also called for an independent inquiry into the Tiananmen massacre.


Hell all I can do is laugh at your politicians :lol
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2004, 08:20:51 PM »
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same was/is happening in Gaza/ WestBank


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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2004, 08:49:25 PM »
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Hell all I can do is laugh at your politicians :lol


Too bad we can't find a reason to care :lol
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2004, 09:00:08 PM »
I see you grasp well the situation in Pal. there RAV.....

Now explain to these fine gentlemens on this here board why they teach there kids in school about hating the Jew.

Now explain to these fine gentlemens on this here board why there religion teaches to hate the Jew.

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2004, 09:04:24 PM »
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mmm Tumor,

You must have been the champion of your local debating society.


Why join the debate society when your always right?

Nobody on these boards, at least nobody I have seen, says that the brutality that Palestinians commit against Israelies is morally correct or justified.

How conveniently unobservant of you :)

Some people on these boards do see why, after years of being denied any form of effective citizenship, seen relatives being shot or blown up, had their houses destroyed, some Palestinians might resort to such acts, for a variety of reasons. It doesn't make it right, but the reaction is understandable. Those people also understand that when these reactions take place and the Jews respond in kind, you end up with an escalating cycle of violence.

Ya think?

Those same people on these boards also understand that if you treat people in extreme ways, their reactions are likely to be extreme

YOUR KIDDING??!!

Pretty much the same people on these boards seem to understand that your average Palestinian, given the right living conditions, human rights etc. would probably be productive citizens whose ambitions would look no further than upgrading their computer, buying a new car, getting a pay rise...you know the stuff most of us tend to find reasonably important in our day to day lives.

Right... just as soon as every Isreali has been removed (from earth).

And I would guess those same people on these boards realise that the people who are in the position to begin this process of providing Palestinians with living conditions in which they can realistically aspire to these aims are the Israelis and by proxy the U.S.

So... mmmm... what would those of that country who set this deal up doing about it?   :rofl

The problem is that the process is not an 'instant' one. You are not going to reverse years of mutual brutalisation by waving some sort of magic wand. It is a process. And processes take time.

Well PhD Ravells... how kind of you to enlighten me with your spectacular wisdom.

There are no 'good guys' or 'bad guys' when one speaks of populations of people.

Clear?


:rofl  I've been lectured... OH THE SORROW!  I think I must now humbly avert my eye's for his Highness has spoken  :rolleyes:

Ravs
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